Five fold ministry???? Who are they at your Church?

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Opinions?

I haven't said a word about standards or even anything remotely controversial.

You are getting wigged because somebody thinks you need to take your kids to church.

So you get out the old broad brush.

Very transparent, Coop.

I was apart of one of the largest UPC districts where Billy Cole and Jack Cunningham was a house hold name. They often preached at my church.

My old Pastor was the Superintendant and often had to be a peace maker between childish acting preachers.

I have heard Jack Cunningham run down an Ex-UPC preacher over the pulpit at a district conference and scream as he called him "MORE worthless than a pile of Dung"!!!

Don't tell me I am broad brushing, the barn that houses this kind of mess is too big for a broad brush.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Coop, I seriously have prayed for you and will again that you recover yourself.

Your kids deserve better.

This is going to be the last post I make to you for a while, maybe ever.

I am sure you are shaking the dust off your feet too.

[COOPER]

And that's the way it is, April the third 2007.

This is Cooper signing off.

Good night.

[Jekyll]

How long does this HAVE to go on...why not consolidate all of the threads that are started with "questions" into one big blog titled, "I hate the UPC"?? Then, you can complain all you want without everyone taking these threads seriously and answering them only to hear more ranting and raving?

COOP, what is it going to take to find peace in your life??

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

From time to time we have had all five-fold ministries preach to us here. I have had 3 men I believe are Apostles and more than one prophet, gifted teachers, evangelist like Phillip and of course the weakest link the pastor but one dud out of four is not too bad.

You mean just to visit and preach. Does the four or five fold ministry need to be members in one body or does it matter?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You mean just to visit and preach. Does the four or five fold ministry need to be members in one body or does it matter?

I doubt if any church has the five-fold ministry resident there but they may ??
I just don't know any?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I doubt if any church has the five-fold ministry resident there but they may ??
I just don't know any?

Are they supposed to? I can't tell by the scripture. At first it appears that they should.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Are they supposed to? I can't tell by the scripture. At first it appears that they should.

I think it was available to the churches as it is today.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I think it was available to the churches as it is today.

Correct. But nowhere does scripture concerning the churches listed in the NT ever indicate they actually had 5 specific individuals in place in each church. The reference is to the "church-at-large" and not specific congregations.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I think it was available to the churches as it is today.

I just wonder if each body is supposed to be made up of all of them. Do the offices - Deacon, etc. fill those positions or are they separate?

I've always been taught that the preacher is all of those offices at different times. Not sure everyone has believed that, but some I've known have.