Well, I have been duly chastised. I should have kept my mouth shut. In hind sight I always end up thinking it would have been better to leave well enough alone. But I do confess my fault.
Mind you if this sister had been in some kind of sin I would not have said anything. It was done more out of anger/resentment from years of people betraying the trust of my Pastor. There is much more to this story than what was told including telling the Pastor that she wasn't going to so and so's church.
The church was started a block away from a UPC church that this Pastor use to Pastor. He did not communicate in anyway with any of the two UPCI Pastors in town and has actively recruited members from both churches. This sister told our Pastor that she was not going to attend the WPF church.
He could have started the church anywhere in town but started it a block away from our church. When my Pastor says he that this guy has no scruples he is correct.
I am very loyal and passionate about my church and I hate to see people shifting allegience to this other Pastor. I could tell many things about this man to prove my point but I have already spread enough gossip.
There are ethics in ministry whether you admit it or not. This Pastor was under disciplinary action with the UPC and although at one time he was a good Pastor there are many bad things that I could say that happened under his watch. This time I will leave well enogh alone.
your points may have some validity, and there is always more to a story than can be expressed online but your attutide about her stinks.
Before you attempt to elicit sympathy for the wrongdoing of the WPF pastor you might want to examine your comments and actions toward this piano player.
That's the thing... the fact that this person was playing the piano at a neighboring apostolic church on an off night is not a news worthy item. There is absolutely no problem with them doing that.
But... the spirit in which it was passed on was one in which gossip was intended. Their playing of the piano was only perceived to be a "hot news item" and it was passed on in that spirit.
So... you are right about the actual facts... but it was perceived by someone as being a hot piece of gossip.
This is evidenced by their need to ask the pastor if it WAS gossip in the first place... the affirmative response of the pastor... and the fact that, even after the pastor said that it would be gossip... it was too juicy not to pass on.
I agree. This whole situation brings back bad memories I have of my former church where 'tattling' was the norm.
And I agree with Sherri...you don't know the circumstances surrounding the event and why the piano player was there in the first place. It could have all been very harmless.
Oh, and...Pastors don't 'own' saints.
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Well, I have been duly chastised. I should have kept my mouth shut. In hind sight I always end up thinking it would have been better to leave well enough alone. But I do confess my fault.
I was going to tell you, last night, that you might want to log out or something.
Just wanted to also express that people are not cattle. If the woman wanted to go to another church why grab her ankles and hold on to her? We don't own people nor their lives.
How and when did we lose our faith in the work of the Holy Ghost and in our prayers to the God that we have come to "trust"? Why are we always trying to run God's business?
Well, I have been duly chastised. I should have kept my mouth shut. In hind sight I always end up thinking it would have been better to leave well enough alone. But I do confess my fault.
Mind you if this sister had been in some kind of sin I would not have said anything. It was done more out of anger/resentment from years of people betraying the trust of my Pastor. There is much more to this story than what was told including telling the Pastor that she wasn't going to so and so's church.
The church was started a block away from a UPC church that this Pastor use to Pastor. He did not communicate in anyway with any of the two UPCI Pastors in town and has actively recruited members from both churches. This sister told our Pastor that she was not going to attend the WPF church.
He could have started the church anywhere in town but started it a block away from our church. When my Pastor says he that this guy has no scruples he is correct.
I am very loyal and passionate about my church and I hate to see people shifting allegience to this other Pastor. I could tell many things about this man to prove my point but I have already spread enough gossip.
There are ethics in ministry whether you admit it or not. This Pastor was under disciplinary action with the UPC and although at one time he was a good Pastor there are many bad things that I could say that happened under his watch. This time I will leave well enogh alone.
Good idea, just talk to God about it. And pray for everyone, yourself included.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
I was going to tell you, last night, that you might want to log out or something.
Just wanted to also express that people are not cattle. If the woman wanted to go to another church why grab her ankles and hold on to her? We don't own people nor their lives.
How and when did we lose our faith in the work of the Holy Ghost and in our prayers to the God that we have come to "trust"? Why are we always trying to run God's business?
Tell it.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
As one who has been the subject of gossip and "tattling" before in a church, this thread brings up some [bad] memories.
I'm convinced that some of this kind of gossip, politics, and foolishness we focus on in churches only hinders the body of Christ from having the kind of revival and growth that the Lord intends for us.
This junk is just ridiculous.
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Daniel 12:3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever.
11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of UPC; and I of ALJC; and I of PAW; and I of WPF; and I of GIB; and I of Christ.
13 Is Christ divided? was the UPC crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of the PAW?
1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
4 For while one saith, I am of UPC; and another, I am of AMF; another of PAW; still another of ALJC; or even of ETC; are ye not carnal?
I guess after putting 26 years and thousands of dollars into trying to establish a work in my city that I get a little perturbed/zealous when yet another saint leaves or is about to leave.
But in the spirit of unity I am going to ask the neighboring Pastor if he needs a 2nd tier drummer.
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