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Originally Posted by George

Before you bash the UPCI and accuse them of not being what they are supposed to be, explain to me why the WPF people never used the judicial system of the UPCI. If so many UPCI preachers were doing wrong, why didn't the WPF men press charges while they were UPC? I have heard some of them say, "It wouldn't do any good." If it is wrong for a preacher to have a TV in his home in the UPCI, it was just as wrong for those "have been" UPCI now WPF preachers to not press charges. If they couldn't do it as UPCI, they will never enforce their WPF rules. The UPCI judicial system was set in place to keep the organization free of wrong. If a preacher chooses not to use the system, then he shouldn't complain nor run away. That is like griping about the president but never voting.

George, honestly, if you sense the whole system, and those in leadership positions are not abiding by the bylaws and rules and that you are going to march in and enforce it all through voting - that is, voting with men that have gone along with the system and are themselves guilty, that's Utopian, idealistic and wishful thinking at best.

I happen to know the judicial system was used year after year for decades. It wasn't untried. The tide was simply turning. Not to be harsh with this comparison, but it's like the Supreme Court out there in California. Their people have twice voted against Gay Marriage, but the leadership of California (the Supreme Court), and their leaders (senators, legislature, governors) have the opinion otherwise. It's just a matter of time until they breakdown the will of the people until they say "What does it really matter"? The GM knows this too. And eventually Gay Marriage will be a reality in every state in our dear nation. Same with what these in UPC saw happening. Not putting it on equal ground as Gay Marriage, but definitely things that they felt were long ago settled were year after year being challenged, until the will of the leaders was more and more becoming broken down.

So, these men did what they felt best, and left. JG, NW, CC, etc all these men were in leadership positions at one time with the UPCI. To me, it's not hard to understand why they did what they did. They love the brethern of the UPCI, but jumped ship because they didn't like where that ship was sailing.