Apostolic or Not?

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by ShofarMan

Sure stick together, but I still say refusal to answer IS an answer.

I am not exactly sure what you are trying to imply.

I have not refused to answer anything.

However if you wish to discuss this further I suggest a PM might be more appropriate, and I will be glad to respond to the best of my ability.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Amos

How can you reconcile the following passage of Scripture with the preaching of trinitarians in your pulpit?

2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Amos,

How can someone transgress a doctrine they have never believed in the first place? It's not like we live in the day when the apostles were around to set everyone straight concerning truth and error and everyone started out believing the same thing.

I think God needs us to be more humble, merciful, and longsuffering with those who are blinded by false doctrine that has been accepted by the majority of those who believe in Christ for over 1500 years.

I believe it is a different case when one truly does know the truth and then transgresses it and turns from it to error.

[ChicagoPastor]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

If I preach that I believe Acts 2:38 is the only method for a person to be saved, and then have trinitarian preachers fill my pulpit, I have basically discredited my word by doing so. There is a certain uncertainty in the sound when one thing is preached, and another practiced. Wouldn't you agree?

which trinitarians have preached in his pulpit?

Prophetess Cindy Jacobs is baptized in Jesus name.

who are you referring to?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by ShofarMan

Sure stick together, but I still say refusal to answer IS an answer.

You're quite wrong about that assumption.

[ChicagoPastor]

In forumland there is NOTHING like a thread that includes the name Phillips, Hanby, or Suber (new to the club)

[Amos]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Amos,

How can someone transgress a doctrine they have never believed in the first place? It's not like we live in the day when the apostles were around to set everyone straight concerning truth and error and everyone started out believing the same thing.

I think God needs us to be more humble, merciful, and longsuffering with those who are blinded by false doctrine that has been accepted by the majority of those who believe in Christ for over 1500 years.

I believe it is a different case when one truly does know the truth and then transgresses it and turns from it to error.

I am all for mercy, humility, and longsuffering.

I am not for putting unsaved people in the pulpit supposedly to preach to our saints.

Besides, the verse that speaks of transgression concludes, and the Apostole goes on to say if any comes and doesn't bring this doctrine--period--don't receive him. The structure of the grammar does not require "transgression" to be a part of the mix.

Just not bringing the doctrine.

If they don't bring the doctrine, they need to be taught--not be the ones doing the teaching.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Amos

I am all for mercy, humility, and longsuffering.

I am not for putting unsaved people in the pulpit supposedly to preach to our saints.

Besides, the verse that speaks of transgression concludes, and the Apostole goes on to say if any comes and doesn't bring this doctrine--period--don't receive him. The structure of the grammar does not require "transgression" to be a part of the mix.

Just not bringing the doctrine.

If they don't bring the doctrine, they need to be taught--not be the ones doing the teaching.

Good point.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

which trinitarians have preached in his pulpit?

Prophetess Cindy Jacobs is baptized in Jesus name.

who are you referring to?

Generals International Statement of Faith

1. We believe the Bible to be the inspired, the only infallible, authoritative Word of God.

2. We believe that there is one God, eternally existent in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

3. We believe in the deity and humanity of Christ, in His virgin birth, in His sinless life, in His miracles, in His vicarious and atoning death through His shed blood, in His bodily resurrection, in His ascension to the right hand of the Father, in His present rule as Head of the Church and in His personal return in power and glory.

4. We believe that for the salvation of lost and sinful men regeneration by the Holy Spirit is absolutely essential.

5. We believe in the present ministry of the Holy Spirit, by whose indwelling the Christian is enabled to live a godly life.

6. We believe in the resurrection of both the saved and the lost, they that are saved unto the resurrection of life and they that are lost unto the resurrection of damnation.

7. We believe in the spiritual unity of believers in our Lord Jesus Christ, with equality across racial, gender, and class differences.


Cindy Jacobs ministry Statement of Faith

[Amos]

Eternal sonship teaches another Jesus.

She's a trinitarian.

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

The Apostolic movement was not based on "holiness standards" or "the mighty God in Christ" (the revelation of the mighty God in Christ came later)

we became a movement when we embraced and preached Jesus name baptism...
the schisms came later....

Yep, after man and politics got involved.