May I smoke here??!

[Scott Hutchinson]

Smoking is a hard habit to break.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3_JV0xrklM

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by StMark

Most people that believe smoking is okay also believe that Drinking and gambling are fine too. And since the 10 commandments are in the OT, we might as well throw them away while we're at it.


As if we can stop eating food to live! comparing the above to eating is ridiculous. They put chemicals in our water suppply too so if you folks want to be consistant, stop drinking from the tap. We can't control the pestisides and chemicals in the food. we can pray over the food and trust God.

The extent people will go to to drink and smoke is astounding

Mark, do you understand that people can eat enough to live without over eating?

Do you understand that Solomon likened the glutton to a drunkard?

So, its not so ridiculous to compare overating to drunkenness.

[KWSS1976]

I don't have anything against gambling but I don't do it because I know the casinos are in it to make money not give it away and I work too hard for my money to go and take a chance on loosing it....if I went to a baptist church or anyother chuch I would still fill the sameway about it..I do wish I owned a casino though LOL....

[Amos]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

You might be surprised if I told you who it was.

However, I go back to my original premise. I haven't seen one person on this thread who said, "Oh, smoking is a great thing, and should not be preached against!"

What I have seen is, "How come we make smoking a mortal sin, but put our stamp of approval on gluttony?"

The Bible speaks often about gluttony, and in one case connects the "drunkard and the glutton" in the same category.

But, how many sermons have you heard at General Conference about gluttony? How many Bible studies in your local assembly have you taught about gluttony?

That's where my frustration lies.

And, I get even more frustrated when these questions are asked, and someone says "They don't believe in anything any more, it's a non-Apostolic forum".

Gluttony is not tantamount to occasional overeating and/or being overweight.

In antiquity gluttony referred to raucous overeating in an orgy-like fashion that often resulted in one deliberately vomiting with the intent of eating more. A Roman domicilium actually had a special room in which guests could vomit in order to feast some more. They called it a vomitorium.

[jtork]

Originally Posted by StMark

Most people that believe smoking is okay also believe that Drinking and gambling are fine too. And since the 10 commandments are in the OT, we might as well throw them away while we're at it.


As if we can stop eating food to live! comparing the above to eating is ridiculous. They put chemicals in our water suppply too so if you folks want to be consistant, stop drinking from the tap. We can't control the pestisides and chemicals in the food. we can pray over the food and trust God.

The extent people will go to to drink and smoke is astounding

No One said anyone should stop eating food - my point is OVER-EATING but I guess all you read was "eating". BTW - I have a water distiller and that is the water I drink and I buy organic when available so you can control it to some extent. People who think it is ridiculous are the guilty ones

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Mark, do you understand that people can eat enough to live without over eating?

Do you understand that Solomon likened the glutton to a drunkard?

So, its not so ridiculous to compare overating to drunkenness.

That fact that eating food is a survival issue, what they eat and how much the amount they eat is between them and their God.

Again, Idleness, not working that food off is what makes people fat and unhealthy.

To make the excuse that drinking thunderbird and vodka is fine because someone had too many servings of mash potatos is silly

[Bro-Larry]

Pork and sodas are probably far worse for you than smoking.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

I think what is being said here is the messeges being preached on smoking and drinking and not being preached on the other unhealthy things in the world I have heard plenty testify how jesus saved them from drinking and smoking but never heard anyone testify about being delivered from KFC,POYPES OR CHURCHES CHICKEN I myself personally think this should not be preached since it is not biblical about smoking and drinking but you should use common since.

I one time got so depressed.

I stopped off at a KFC.

Grabbed a 10 piece bucket, mashed potatoes

10 rolls and then grabbed a 2 liter bottle of Mountain Dew.

i drove down to Grant Park in South Milwaukee.

I ate the entire bucket and everything else in 30 minutes.

I drank the entire bottle of mountain dew.

I felt like a junky on crack..

Then my wife calls me and asked me.

Did you have a big lunch?

I then stated not big, (See it was a very large lunch).

She told me I made the kids there favorite...

No!!!!!!!!

I just ate a Chicken coupe full of chickens.....

Tell me what is the difference between that and any other comfort food or drug????

I am glad that I have lost all the weight...

I still fight the urges every day....

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

You might be surprised if I told you who it was.

However, I go back to my original premise. I haven't seen one person on this thread who said, "Oh, smoking is a great thing, and should not be preached against!"

What I have seen is, "How come we make smoking a mortal sin, but put our stamp of approval on gluttony?"

The Bible speaks often about gluttony, and in one case connects the "drunkard and the glutton" in the same category.

But, how many sermons have you heard at General Conference about gluttony? How many Bible studies in your local assembly have you taught about gluttony?

That's where my frustration lies.

And, I get even more frustrated when these questions are asked, and someone says "They don't believe in anything any more, it's a non-Apostolic forum".

It's just a friendly discussion Michael! It's healthy! I don't overeat, but I do not always eat healthy. But I can say as a long time smoker, you cannot smoke and not harm your body, and other people around you. People that overeat don't usually harm others. Unless they allow their families to do the same. Should preachers preach against it? Yes, but seriously how many people do you think want to hear it preached against? And if a preacher isn't a living example of it, it's hard for him/her to preach it. I do understand the argument of smoking, drinking, vs gluttony.

P. S. I was anorexic but the Lord HEALED me!

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Amos

Gluttony is not tantamount to occasional overeating and/or being overweight.

In antiquity gluttony referred to raucous overeating in an orgy-like fashion that often resulted in one deliberately vomiting with the intent of eating more. A Roman domicilium actually had a special room in which guests could vomit in order to feast some more. They called it a vomitorium.

I agree with you, but when they accused Jesus of being a glutton, that's not the definition. The definition of gluttony in the NT is "voracious appetites".

And, I'm not saying someone is going to hell for being over weight, God knows, I'd be the first one on the train to Hades, but do you understand my point?

If we preach against smoking and make it a sin worthy of hell fire and brimstone, we also should put the same emphasis on anything that destroys our bodies prematurely.

Again, I am NOT an advocate of smoking, there is absolutely NO justification for smoking, either in the spiritual or the natural, but let's be consistent.

Ok, that's all I'll say about that!