May I smoke here??!

[Amos]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

I don't think smoking is a sin but it is unheathy but then again so is alot of other things in the world.. after all where in the bible does it say smoking is a sin..There is enough stuff in the world we breath in without having to add smokes to the mix....

Another one--it isn't a sin, and isn't in the Bible.

[jtork]

Originally Posted by 2020Vision

I think some were bringing up this point to justify another end. Maybe they can clarify. Attention all antagonists, are you arguing for gluttony to prove why cigarettes and liquor should not be preached against, or are you desiring your own pastor to preach more sermons on diet and living healthy? Please clarify.

I WOULD LOVE IT if preachers taught more on diet and living healthy - can you imagine what a testimony it would be to non-believers if we were all wonderfully healthy!!!!!!

[2020Vision]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

Wow some what is it like living in a perfect world?? Where converts just instinctly know-that must be really nice.

You missed the whole "Spirit leads us into all Truth".

If that isn't happening at your Church, maybe there's so much concern for consistency, that everyone if afraid to stand for ANYTHING, lest they be inconsistent.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by 2020Vision

Well, if the man of God confronted the person to get rid of it and they refused because they wanted to see "consistency", I'd say there was a deeper spiritual problem. Else, find a new church.

I knew where you were going with this. How in God's name can you tell obese people they are going to hell? How twisted are you? Obesity has many causes, not the least being genetic, hereditary, based on metabolism, etc... You are trying to draw the picture that they are all gluttoness slobs. Shame!

Sorry, I'm not the one who made that claim. I just posted facts.

And, I will say, you are right, some inherit it, but there are a host more who eat themselves into it.

I've made my point, work calleth! Good day to you, sir!

[2020Vision]

Originally Posted by jtork

I WOULD LOVE IT if preachers taught more on diet and living healthy - can you imagine what a testimony it would be to non-believers if we were all wonderfully healthy!!!!!!

Agree. It would be awesome. Fact is, there are millions of reasons that we are unhealthy. Cigarettes is isolated. We can rule it out that it has no value and no good.

People get mad because I won't answer "Will this send you to hell?" These are sophomoric questions, no offense. I don't send to hell. If you don't believe cigarette smoking is sin, then there is a greater gulf that separates some of us in this forum than I thought. Thanks for being honest, Phelps.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by 2020Vision

Agree. It would be awesome. Fact is, there are millions of reasons that we are unhealthy. Cigarettes is isolated. We can rule it out that it has no value and no good.

People get mad because I won't answer "Will this send you to hell?" These are sophomoric questions, no offense. I don't send to hell. If you don't believe cigarette smoking is sin, then there is a greater gulf that separates some of us in this forum than I thought. Thanks for being honest, Phelps.

I always am, Double Vision. And, you're alright, I enjoy your posts, as well - I like to spar with you!

[2020Vision]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Sorry, I'm not the one who made that claim. I just posted facts.

And, I will say, you are right, some inherit it, but there are a host more who eat themselves into it.

I've made my point, work calleth! Good day to you, sir!

Your point is very weak. Cigarette smoking has no good intention. Eating does. Gluttony is sin. Smoking is sin. However, obesity is not sin.

Did you know stress can cause diseases? So I guess anyone dealing with stress or having a down moment is sinning as well? And that's your idea of justifying that none of it is wrong? Unbelievable.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by 2020Vision

Well, if the man of God confronted the person to get rid of it and they refused because they wanted to see "consistency", I'd say there was a deeper spiritual problem. Else, find a new church.

I knew where you were going with this. How in God's name can you tell obese people they are going to hell? How twisted are you? Obesity has many causes, not the least being genetic, hereditary, based on metabolism, etc... You are trying to draw the picture that they are all gluttoness slobs. Shame!

Are you not understanding the point Mike is making??

Then how twisted is it to tell people who smoke they are going to hell, but for someone who has purposely over eats to point of gluttony on a continual basis is not??

[jtork]

Originally Posted by 2020Vision

Your point is very weak. Cigarette smoking has no good intention. Eating does. Gluttony is sin. Smoking is sin. However, obesity is not sin.

Did you know stress can cause diseases? So I guess anyone dealing with stress or having a down moment is sinning as well? And that's your idea of justifying that none of it is wrong? Unbelievable.

If your obesity is caused from your gluttony it is sin.

[2020Vision]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

I always am, Double Vision. And, you're alright, I enjoy your posts, as well - I like to spar with you!

Right back to you. Although, I'm astounded of the position you are taking on this particular thread. I'll forgive you.