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aak1972 · #**291** 12-16-2008, 01:14 PM

But my question is still why are the other sins never preached?

2020Vision · #**292** 12-16-2008, 01:16 PM

Food doesn't have poisons. The wrong food and excessive use of some foods have poison. Food is a necessary thing. Try to go without for a year. Food is also part of the Feasts in Scripture. God loves a good party too! Gluttony is not eating and having a good time. Let's be careful to interpret this.

Cigarettes put our pleasures in the way of our testimony. They have no value to you, but are filthy. Go YouTube "affects of tobacco use" and see for yourself.

KWSS1976 · #**293** 12-16-2008, 01:16 PM

Edjen01 just started whole new topic "tongues" I am going to sit back and watch where this goes...

Ferd · #**294** 12-16-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 2020Vision

And if one doesn't believe it's a sin, this is the next place I'd go.

I'm confused on this thread though. Shall I just agree in advance that obesity is sin? Or is there another argument that some are trying to make?

agreeing that obesity is a sin will not quench the thirst here to take a stand against those who take stands my friend.

I have a greater understanding of this thread now after taking the time to consider things.

This isn't about justifying smoking anymore than it is about proving that gluttony is also a sin.

It is about proving how morally bankrupt Holiness people are and therefore justifying those who have walked away from Holiness.

edjen01 · #**295** 12-16-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 2020Vision

Both. There's a lot to be said for obedience and submission. In fact, it's a common thread througout the whole Bible. We are happy Apostolics! And yes, the Holy Ghost actually does instruct us too! Imagine that!

i do not doubt you....or your church. Please do not think I am talking down or bad about you or your church. God leads us all by different paths.

I do see a call for submission and obedience. But also see where there is very little tolerance for those who say "thus saith the Lord"...when the Lord didn't sayeth.

edjen01 · #**296** 12-16-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Edjen01 just started whole new topic "tongues" I am going to sit back and watch where this goes...

sorry....i'm new here.

2020Vision · #**297** 12-16-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by aak1972

But my question is still why are the other sins never preached?

Who says they aren't preached? Why are you so obsessed with this? Maybe pastors should mail you cards about the "other sins" they preach about to keep you in the loop. This just seems to be another lame attempt to attack the church and prove some great error and inconsistency. It's not working.

If AAK and Phelps both agree cigarettes are not pleasing to God, then what is left to talk about? Is there a poster here that doesn't believe gluttony is wrong?

Praxeas · #**298** 12-16-2008, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 2020Vision

And if one doesn't believe it's a sin, this is the next place I'd go.

I'm confused on this thread though. Shall I just agree in advance that obesity is sin? Or is there another argument that some are trying to make?

Maybe food addiction is a sin....or maybe it is not. That is the danger we risk though. Pretty soon a lot of things are sin. Neckties are sin.

Trouvere · #**299** 12-16-2008, 01:20 PM

Many preach against gluttony and smoking. I do. I have done both and both are wrong. Anything that takes us away from being what we need for Jesus is wrong. I have a hard time listening to anyone preach who is self indulgent in any way. Jesus is not self indulgent.

2020Vision · #**300** 12-16-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by edjen01

i do not doubt you....or your church. Please do not think I am talking down or bad about you or your church. God leads us all by different paths.

I do see a call for submission and obedience. But also see where there is very little tolerance for those who say "thus saith the Lord"...when the Lord didn't sayeth.

Agree, a true prophet only speaks for God when He has spoken.

It doesn't take "thus saith the Lord" for me to obey and follow my Pastor though. If it's in harmony with scripture, has good intention for the interest of the flock, and come from a man of love, then I'm with him. If I ever felt he was off, I would really take it from the Lord. If a man is off in one area, chances are that would repeat, and I could address that then. All that to say, God uses the Pastor to lead and make decisions in 21st Century America.