God is All Knowing So Why Does it Matter?

[StMark]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

God judges from our inside.

We judge one another from our outside.

I was speaking to a friend of mine just last night about how different standards is preached today than it was 100 years ago.

If the UPC existed in 1900, how would they have preached holiness and separation in dress, considering that most of America in that age and time dressed the same among the sexes? Even the harlots in the saloons had long hair and dresses on!

We need to get back to the basics of what's important. Dress and hair isn't what's important as to a person's salvation. If we let God worry about issues only He should be worried about, how much larger would our churches be? How much happier of a people would we be to the sinners in our society? How much witnessing would actually have to be done if we just allowed our lights to shine instead of beating people with our flashlights?

RRH just preached at some convention with DKB recently. My friend is disturbed and thinking that her pastor is going to endorse the magic hair teachings, which she refuses to believe. Is this what the UPC is going to be all about now? Is this what the old-time Azuza revival hoped for 100 years later?

I hope not. The UPC is raising a generation of Pharisees...people who think that what they look like and how loud they pray is what makes them holy...and the kids are buying it.
God help us.

That was not very nice.....rather judgmental HO

[rgcraig]

You are exactly right HO!

[StMark]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

i could probably fill the names in several times over -

! I'm waiting.............

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by StMark

! I'm waiting.............

but I won't.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

but I won't.

then this thread was pointless

[MissBrattified]

It matters for the same reason that it matters whether or not you can go to the theater. Someone PLEASEEEEE explain to me why folks have a conviction against public theaters, but not against having a theater in their living rooms!!!!

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by StMark

then this thread was pointless

We are discussing issues - not people here!

Just like MissB brought up that perfectly good question.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

It matters for the same reason that it matters whether or not you can go to the theater. Someone PLEASEEEEE explain to me why folks have a conviction against public theaters, but not against having a theater in their living rooms!!!!

Well, the excuse that it's the people in the theaters isn't a good one at all since they are families just like ours.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by StMark

That was not very nice.....rather judgmental HO

You are right, Mark. But it's what I see. My kids are in this, and I'm trying very hard to make sure they don't buy into what they are being sold.

I'm raising them to live according to what the Bible teaches, not what an organization teaches.

Obeying an org doesn't save us. Obeying the Bible, does.

The Pharisees weren't self-righteous because of what they wore or how they prayed. It was their belief that what they wore and how they prayed is what made them better than everyone else that was wrong.

Jesus never rebuked them for having nice, long robes and praying in public. He rebuked them for their belief that those things made them holier than everyone else.

I think that's telling. Very telling.

The UPC preaches "holiness standards", mirroring the beliefs of the Pharisees. Is it wrong to teach women to dress more modest or teaching people to pray? No. But it is wrong to teach them that by doing those things, they are 'holiness'. Jesus rebukes such teaching.

[HeavenlyOne]

I think the UPC did a big booboo in preaching against things and not principles.

Things change. Principles never do.

This is why continuing to preach against TV and men wearing beards is so silly today, even though there was a purpose way back when.

This is also why preaching against women wearing pants is silly in 2008. There was a time when pants were considered men's attire, but not today! Instead of preaching principles, we preach such silliness that no longer applies in today's society.

It's just as silly as preaching against stockings on women because men wore them in the 1700's, or nightgowns on women because men wore them in the 1800's. Is there anyone alive today that remembers those days?

There aren't many people except those around 50 and older who remember what it was like in 'the olden days'. From the time I was a kid, women have worn pants. They've worn women's pants.

For the kids of today, they don't understand the preaching about women wearing men's attire because they have pants on. They will AMEN the preaching because that's what they are supposed to do, but they really don't have a clue as to what it means, nor an understanding.

Let's preach principles. If we did that, we wouldn't have immodest skirt and dress-wearing girls and women in the church. But hey, they have 'holiness' because they wear the uniform!