FEAR FACTOR: Pentecostal/Apostolic Style

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Sam

Baptism in Jesus' name was called the "New Issue."

Thank-you Sam!

[RevDWW]

Does extra-biblical revelation really exist? Can there be Truth outside of he Word? Are there some writings or knowledge that God could not get those who put the Bible together to put into it? Is there salvation in any other name except the Name of Jesus, no matter how it is pronounced? Will a new "revelation" lead us away from the saving message of the gospel, ie. the death , burial, and resurrection?

If said 'revelation' negates or trys to nullify these verses it's not a 'revelation' from God:

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1Pe 1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

I think your basic premise has merit.

However, I think your application of that premise is faulty and colored by your personal experiences.

What application are you referring to? How did I apply the premise from my posts?


BTW, ALL of our applications are colored by our personal experiences!

[Ron]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Actually, Mark, that thought never crossed my mind, at least not in that way. I am thinking more in generalities relating to comments about the AOG and the UPC, in regards to people leaving them and going to non-denom churches, where in many of them God is moving.

Here is a thought, God is moving in many people in many denominations, but that don't make them saved or thier doctrine right!

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Ron

Here is a thought, God is moving in many people in many denominations, but that don't make them saved or thier doctrine right!

Why do you think God would put His blessing on false doctrine?

Not being argumentative, this has always intrigued me. Just curious to hear your thoughts.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by StMark

Of course I know he does not advocate someone such as WB. I was not connecting MOW to anyone like that. But Mow was not clear on what he meant by "new revelation" and I pointed out that during the history of modern Pentecost, there have been many, perhaps hundreds who have arisen and declared a new revelation or fresh word from the Lord for the existing time. How do you know it's really from God?? Branham was able to perform unbelieveable miracles and had crowds of 20,000-30,000 and was surpassing traditional pentecostals hands down at that time. I could see why people in his era who were tired of the grind of just going to church and looking for something new and fresh could fall for that not knowing that in the end, it would prove to be false

"New revelation" that is man centric is not true revelation, personality driven "revelation" will always stumble and fall because men are flawed.

Any "new thing" that is truly from God will be Jesus centric, will lift up Jesus and will glorify God,

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Why do you think God would put His blessing on false doctrine?

Not being argumentative, this has always intrigued me. Just curious to hear your thoughts.

Im not Margie but we discussed this on another thread and the general consesus was that no matter the church or denomination or doctrine being preached, if one is sitting in the pew with an open heart and there for something from God, they will recieve it. Not because of the doctrine or preaching , but because they are seeking God.

Reminds me of when I was about 11 yr old sitting in a southern baptist church. For once I actually listened to the preacher and something happened, I felt.... emotional almost, my heart hurt, tears fell uncontrolably . I did not get up and go to the front, the pastor saw me from the pulpit and called me up. We went thru the sinners prayer and "poof" just like that I was saved. Yet during the "prayer" the feeling went away. I didn't feel it agian until I was 14 and recieved the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

Its kinda like the Benny Hinn thing, I think some there do recieve a healing. Not because Benny Hinn laid hands on them, but because that person stood up in faith knowing "God can heal me".

Last time I checked, when the curtain was rent, we stopped recieving the move of God through the preacher and started recieving it through the desire of our hearts.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by scotty

Im not Margie but we discussed this on another thread and the general consesus was that no matter the church or denomination or doctrine being preached, if one is sitting in the pew with an open heart and there for something from God, they will recieve it. Not because of the doctrine or preaching , but because they are seeking God.

Reminds me of when I was about 11 yr old sitting in a southern baptist church. For once I actually listened to the preacher and something happened, I felt.... emotional almost, my heart hurt, tears fell uncontrolably . I did not get up and go to the front, the pastor saw me from the pulpit and called me up. We went thru the sinners prayer and "poof" just like that I was saved. Yet during the "prayer" the feeling went away. I didn't feel it agian until I was 14 and recieved the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

Its kinda like the Benny Hinn thing, I think some there do recieve a healing. Not because Benny Hinn laid hands on them, but because that person stood up in faith knowing "God can heal me".

Last time I checked, when the curtain was rent, we stopped recieving the move of God through the preacher and started recieving it through the desire of our hearts.

I appreciate your answer, and I can respect this viewpoint.

I realize that the Spirit of God draws people, and if there are people in a church that preaches false doctrine who are being brought out, that's one thing.

But, there are many churches who experience the move of God who NEVER come out, but continue in the same doctrine. If God sees that folks will not be "brought out" why would He continue to bless them in their false doctrine?

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

I appreciate your answer, and I can respect this viewpoint.

I realize that the Spirit of God draws people, and if there are people in a church that preaches false doctrine who are being brought out, that's one thing.

But, there are many churches who experience the move of God who NEVER come out, but continue in the same doctrine. If God sees that folks will not be "brought out" why would He continue to bless them in their false doctrine?

I dont guess I can answer that. But I can tell you this, despite knowing from experience that my 16 yr old daughter will probably not spend it wisely, no matter how many times she comes to me innocently asking for some money, I keep giving it to her in hopes that one day she just goes to the bank with it.

I'm sure you enjoy being a father also

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by scotty

I dont guess I can answer that. But I can tell you this, despite knowing from experience that my 16 yr old daughter will probably not spend it wisely, no matter how many times she comes to me innocently asking for some money, I keep giving it to her.

I'm sure you enjoy being a father also

I definitely enjoy being a father.

But, if my children continue to live in a lifestyle that I feel is wrong, I can't continue to put my stamp of approval on it.

Scripture teaches us clearly that God will not "wink at ignorance forever, but commands us all to repent".

From this I can discern that God will send His spirit to draw us into truth, but if we refuse to move, and it's truly false doctrine that we're embracing, God will not put His stamp of approval on it, and will withdraw His presence.

So, I can't say the analogy is solid in this case.