Will you join the UPC NOW ???? - Page 15

HappyTown · #**141** 01-02-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord

It's too late. I've found out what can be accomplished being independent. I don't think there is anything they could do to get me back, but I could be wrong.

agree

Traci · #**142** 01-02-2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by live4him

well i am 41 and have been in upc since i was three years old.. well all the beliefs have changed drastically. it is a sad thing that we have compromised in our churches, we have now tolerated the stuff that we didnt tolerate years ago. i will not compromise and i will not tolerate the stuff that i have been against years ago. i will hold to my standards, in fact i am more conservative now than i have ever been,
everybody can do as they please, but i will not chage, but it does not mean that i am going to be judgemental towards people who have changed their beliefs,

i do have to say that if you changed your plan of salvation than i know you are definently wrong, that is one thing you should not change if you leave the onesness doctrine,
stay firm on the "ONE LORD, ONE FAITH , AND ONE BAPTISM",

there is no other way in heaven whereby ye must be saved,

stick to the oneness, if you have gone trinitarian, shame on you, you know better than that, this is not to the lady i have quoted this is to anyone who have changed, keep pressin on

Well, for me it is more about the man-made standards than the doctrine even though I am not one to put anyone in hell. I would much rather go to a op church than any but the problem is they would put me in hell or just tell me I am not welcome to participate or go up on the platform. I attended Christ Church in Nashville for 6 years before moving 1 1/2 hrs away--I live in a small town now and there are no upc or oneness churches here. Funny though I told my current pastor if he would not baptise my youngest (when time) in the Name of Jesus I would take him up to Christ Church he laughed and said he would not split hairs over it. Of course he assures me he only believes in one God. Sometimes we as humans are just doing the best that we can. Blessings to you.

RandyWayne · #**143** 01-02-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by live4him

well i am 41 and have been in upc since i was three years old.. well all the beliefs have changed drastically. it is a sad thing that we have compromised in our churches, we have now tolerated the stuff that we didnt tolerate years ago. i will not compromise and i will not tolerate the stuff that i have been against years ago. i will hold to my standards, in fact i am more conservative now than i have ever been,
everybody can do as they please, but i will not chage, but it does not mean that i am going to be judgemental towards people who have changed their beliefs,

i do have to say that if you changed your plan of salvation than i know you are definently wrong, that is one thing you should not change if you leave the onesness doctrine,
stay firm on the "ONE LORD, ONE FAITH , AND ONE BAPTISM",

there is no other way in heaven whereby ye must be saved,

stick to the oneness, if you have gone trinitarian, shame on you, you know better than that, this is not to the lady i have quoted this is to anyone who have changed, keep pressin on

Do you have any radio's in the house or in your cars? How about a telelphone? (And just as TV's are to the old analog land lines, cellphones and VOIP (vonage/magicjack/skype) are to phones)
Radios used to be strictly forbidden and telephones were forbidden in many churches.
Times change. Technology changes. Cultures change.

live4him · #**144** 01-02-2009, 05:01 PM

i do have a radio and a telephone, but i do not beleive it will take me to hell. unless you use the phone to talk to someone you should not be talking to and for a radio i do have one unless you are listening to something you should not be listening to, like really bad music that i do not listen to that junky stuff, if the music does not glorify God than i will not listen to it

scotty · #**145** 01-02-2009, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by live4him

i do have a radio and a telephone, but i do not beleive it will take me to hell. unless you use the phone to talk to someone you should not be talking to and for a radio i do have one unless you are listening to something you should not be listening to, like really bad music that i do not listen to that junky stuff, if the music does not glorify God than i will not listen to it

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RandyWayne · #**146** 01-02-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by live4him

i do have a radio and a telephone, but i do not beleive it will take me to hell. unless you use the phone to talk to someone you should not be talking to and for a radio i do have one unless you are listening to something you should not be listening to, like really bad music that i do not listen to that junky stuff, if the music does not glorify God than i will not listen to it

I don't believe the radio and telephone are evil either (obviously) even though the radio can play junk and the telephone can be used to spread gossip and arrange drug sales and "hits" on rival bosses.

But they ARE things that were once preached against in the early UPC church (and surely other conservative church orgs like the Southern baptists). The simple point is, why is it ok to abandon those old paths and still so important to maintain others?

Hawkman · #**147** 01-02-2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by scotty

Finally, thank you for your contribution.

NOTE TO ALL: I HEREBY RETRACT MY STATEMENT OF "HATER" TOWARD HAWKMAN, I HAVE MISTAKENLY TAKEN WHAT LITTLE HE POSTED AND CHARACTORIZED HIS PERSON. WITH MORE INFORMATION BEING KNOWN, MY ASSESMENT WAS WRONG. I APOLOGIZE.

MOW has also spoken of the UPC "reputation" and I posted in several places that the reputation is not all inclusive of all UPC churches. UPC history is much darker than the whole today. Many here have also admitted it has been awhile since they have graced a UPC church and others have admitted to attending some undesirable ones as well as pleasantly different ones. By your post I am assuming that you have been hurt and angered by your experience with the UPC. On behalf of the rest of us who have done you no harm, I apologize. I do hope and pray that God will give you peace, closure and victory over the bitterness.

God bless.

Retraction appreciated adn apology accepted.

scotty · #**148** 01-02-2009, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkman

Retraction appreciated adn apology accepted.

See how easy that was.... welcome to AFF !!

tssp · #**149** 01-03-2009, 12:20 AM

First of all let me state that I do not hate the UPC, I just don't belong to it anymore. I am very thankful that I was raised in a UPC church and taught the plan of salvation. My problem is with the by-laws and manuel. There are so many churches that no longer follow these rules and as someone mentioned earlier they weren't even aware of what was in the maneul. I believe it's time that they rewrite it and be honest about it. I grew up in a moderate UPC church and when I read some of the rules and restrictions talked about on here it blows my mind. The UPC in my area have always had TV's. I know some that even have home theaters. What does surprise is the fact that a lot of people in the UPC now days see nothing wrong with going to movie theaters even though the by-laws state the UPC does not believe in it and lists it as worldly entertainment.

tssp · #**150** 01-03-2009, 12:51 AM

I guess what I'm trying to say is there would have to be more honesty within the organization for me to rejoin. I'm 49 yrs old and grew up knowing of people with big names in the UPC (some of it heresay, some of it seen by my own eyes or one of my family members) who lied about having a TV, drank when out of town, wore make up, wore shorts etc. I'm a black and white person, I want to know what's right and what's wrong and have everybody follow the same rules. I don't think it's right that just because Bro. So & So's church contributes X amount of dollars we'll just look the other way while the women in his church cut their hair, wear makeup and earrings. Or it's ok that Pastor So & So had a big screen tv in his cabin because technically it wasn't in his home.

I just want black & white, right & wrong. But as my husband tells me...........there's always 11shades of gray. I know this doesn't apply to everyone, but I've seen too much of it over the years.