Casting out demons = salvation??? - Page 3

Esther · #21 01-03-2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by IsolatedSaint

What I think is most sad about this encounter(and of course I wasn't there)is that I see this as another lost opportunity on both ends to learn from each other and grow and receive that portion of truth that the other doesn't have(or is not operating in). Now it's obvious that this gentleman was wrong in his attitude and demeanor but that doesn't mean he didn't have anything of value to offer you and likewise you had truth that he needed. This encounter is a classic illustration of the body of Christ being highly fragmented and specialized and of people refusing to come together and receive of those truths that are missing in their lives. And yes while we're on here bashing this individual for not being baptized in Jesus Name, he's probably posting on his blog with his friends on how Oneness people are loaded with religious spirits.

Perhaps you don't know this but folks with demonic spirits don't want to be around folks that are filled with the Holy Ghost. It makes them real uncomfortable. They don't want to stay for a conversation.

mfblume · #22 01-03-2009, 10:03 AM

Matthew 7:22-23 KJV Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Trouvere · #23 01-05-2009, 03:54 PM

Bro. Blume that is the scripture I also referred to. If the enemy can get someone fixated on one thing only then they can be drawn aside.

IsolatedSaint · #24 01-06-2009, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

Perhaps you don't know this but folks with demonic spirits don't want to be around folks that are filled with the Holy Ghost. It makes them real uncomfortable. They don't want to stay for a conversation.

For some reason I don't believe that is what really took place in this encounter. I believe what occurred was an encounter with 2 people that BOTH have unbalanced ministries.

mfblume · #25 01-06-2009, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Trouvere

Bro. Blume that is the scripture I also referred to. If the enemy can get someone fixated on one thing only then they can be drawn aside.

Amen. If this person could not see that Matt 7 deals with their very claim as being false, then one is at loggerheads with such a person.

pelathais · #26 01-06-2009, 11:19 PM

I'm reminded of the Pigs in the Parlor book and its accompanying fad from back in the 70's. People had "eating spirits," and others had "driving spirits" that caused them to get up and just drive around in their cars. Everything was or "had" a spirit associated with it. To get relief you had to meet up with a Bob Larson or someone like that who could get rid of all the demons that were oppressing you.

Esther · #27 01-07-2009, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by IsolatedSaint

For some reason I don't believe that is what really took place in this encounter. I believe what occurred was an encounter with 2 people that BOTH have unbalanced ministries.

Cared to expound on what you mean here?

jtork · #28 01-07-2009, 07:36 AM

Mark 16:17 "These signs shall follow them that believe; In my name they shall cast out devils, they shall speak with new tongues"

Does this mean that if we do not cast out devils we are not a believer? I have never heard a preacher get up in the pulpit and say if you do not cast out devils you are not a true believer but they do pound the point that if you do not speak in tongues you are not a true believer - anyone have an answer why? Maybe this guy is not different from apostolics it is just apostolics focus on the tongues part of that verse.