Beards for Easter Drama

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Maybe it was a birthmark.

Or maybe his baby daughter put a sticker there and he forgot about it. I've done that before, you ought to have seen the funny looks the guys at the hardware store were giving me. "Here Daddy, here is a pink heart sticker..."

Uh, no, sorry, no cigar. It was painted on for the drama.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

lol.....nope they did wear the dresses, oh I mean robes, but I did giggle a couple of times when they sounded soooo southern.

Ron, it's in Jonesboro.

Sounds like it was a lot of fun.
I have played Jesus and Judas in plays.
Judas was easier (waiting for the wisecracks lol) than Jesus.
How do you play one who is perfect?

Yeah, Yeah, some say I played Judas too well!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Ron

Sounds like it was a lot of fun.
I have played Jesus and Judas in plays.
Judas was easier (waiting for the wisecracks lol) than Jesus.
How do you play one who is perfect?

Yeah, Yeah, some say I played Judas too well!

I thought there was a resemblance in your avatar!

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I thought there was a resemblance in your avatar!

Was it the big nose, shifty eyes, or the sly grin?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Buffy

My husband and several of the men in my UPC church are growing beards for Easter! One of the men is the father of a well known poster here. Going around town my husband has made sure that EVERY pentecostal who either ignored him or turned their nose up he would go up to and tell them why he was growing a beard. I have mixed emotions about it. My husband's dad isn't hardly even speaking to him. I would love to know or maybe I would not want to know what the people on AFF think. Okay let the games begin!!!!!

I have a beard, and have always considered how there was nothing wrong with it all the while I was in the UPC. But there was always an unwritten rule that men should not wear one, so I abode by the rule for the sake of unity while I remained a upc minister.

Anyway, after I left the UPC I wore one and still have it. Nothing in the bible states it is wrong. In fact, the bible teaches men how to wear their beards giving obvious implication they were expected to have worn them. David's men had half their beards shaved off by the enemy, and he commanded them to remain outside their home until their beards grew back and they lost their shame for it.

These early church writings indicate lack of beards was considered a shame.

I think it is fine to wear or not wear one. But these words indictae those who think it is wrong are simply offkey.

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Judaism
The Jews thought it ignominious to lose their beards (Bible: 2 Samuels ch. 10, verse 4).Leviticus 19:27 states that "Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard." Talmudic rabbis understood this to mean only that one should not shave their beard with a razor with a single blade. Because scissors have two blades, rabbinic law permits their use to trim the beard. For this reason, many Jews also use electric razors, which may have two or more blades. Despite this apparent leniency, Torah Law also prohibits cutting the beard close to the skin with a scissor, only that if someone shaves with a scissor he is exempt from punishment (Rambam's Mishne Torah, Laws of Idolatry, 12:[IMG]mailbox:///C%7C/Documents%20and%20Settings/Compaq_Owner/Application%20Data/Thunderbird/Profiles/y94xduh6.default/Mail/Local%20Folders/Sent?number=561&part=1.2&filename=icon_cool.gif[/IMG]. The minimum length of the beard is devired from Laws of Nazirites, where it states that "ke'en ta'ar" is as long as one can fold the hairs from tip to root. Other later codifiers disagree with Maimonides on this matter; however, the lenient view that scissors down to the bare skin are permitted has no basis in any of the Tannaitic and Amoraitic writings.

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Christianity
In Eastern Christianity, beards are often worn by members of the priesthood, and at times have been required for all believers - see Old Believers. Amish and Hutterite men shave until they are married, then grow a beard and are never thereafter without one, although it is a particular form of a beard (see Visual markers of marital status).

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Early Christian attitudes

St Clement of Alexandria
"The hair of the chin showed him to be a man." St Clement of Alexandria (c.195, E), 2.271
"How womanly it is for one who is a man to comb himself and shave himself with a razor, for the sake of fine effect, and to arrange his hair at the mirror, shave his cheeks, pluck hairs out of them, and smooth them!…For God wished women to be smooth and to rejoice in their locks alone growing spontaneously, as a horse in his mane. But He adorned man like the lions, with a beard, and endowed him as an attribute of manhood, with a hairy chest--a sign of strength and rule." St. Clement of Alexandria, 2.275

"This, then, is the mark of the man, the beard. By this, he is seen to be a man. It is older than Eve. It is the token of the superior nature….It is therefore unholy to desecrate the symbol of manhood, hairiness.” St. Clement of Alexandria, 2.276

"It is not lawful to pluck out the beard, man’s natural and noble adornment." St. Clement of Alexandria, 2.277

St Cyprian
"In their manners, there was no discipline. In men, their beards were defaced." St Cyprian (c. 250, W), 5.438

"The beard must not be plucked. 'You will not deface the figure of your beard'." [Lev 19:32] St. Cyprian, 5.553

Lactantius
"The nature of the beard contributes in an incredible degree to distinguish the maturity of bodies, or to distinguish the sex, or to contribute to the beauty of manliness and strength." Lactantius (c. 304-314, W), 7.288

Apostolic Constitutions
"Men may not destroy the hair of their beards and unnaturally change the form of a man. For the Law says, “You will not deface your beards.” For God the Creator has made this decent for women, but has determined that it is unsuitable for men." Apostolic Constitutions (compiled c.390, E) 7.392. (1)

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Uh, no, sorry, no cigar. It was painted on for the drama.

Sounds like an indication to drive home a point when Judas kissed his cheek and betrayed Hiim.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Sounds like an indication to drive home a point when Judas kissed his cheek and betrayed Hiim.

O.K., maybe. I wasn't there. I couldn't see my husband going for that one, if asked to play the part, regardless of what they wanted it to convey.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Ron

Was it the big nose, shifty eyes, or the sly grin?

All of zee above, Monsieur!

[Mike Williamson]

Originally Posted by Buffy

My husband and several of the men in my UPC church are growing beards for Easter! One of the men is the father of a well known poster here. Going around town my husband has made sure that EVERY pentecostal who either ignored him or turned their nose up he would go up to and tell them why he was growing a beard. I have mixed emotions about it. My husband's dad isn't hardly even speaking to him. I would love to know or maybe I would not want to know what the people on AFF think. Okay let the games begin!!!!!

Sounds to me like a lot of people need to get a clue...I can't imagine mistreating or ignoring a brother because he has a beard...

I wonder if these same people turn their nose up at Jesus, who also had a beard...

[King's Child]

Originally Posted by Mike Williamson

Sounds to me like a lot of people need to get a clue...I can't imagine mistreating or ignoring a brother because he has a beard...

I wonder if these same people turn their nose up at Jesus, who also had a beard...

Did Jesus have a beard? I know the Bible states that they plucked his beard but was it a long beard or was it just a few short hairs because he hadn't shaved?