JP Don't Forget

[Esther]

Originally Posted by LadyCoonskinner

I agree with this post. I don't tell people that they are going to Hell. I'm not the judge. I have my OPINIONS, but living in the state I do, the MOST CONSERVATIVE state in the union, I understand about having certain beliefs "crammed down your throat" (FYI.....this is not the current administration or the one before, either)

What I object, violently, to is that, at times, people can say HARSH things and get away with it, but then when someone comes in defends what they believe just as harshly, they are crucified. Because they've been hurt by the machinery, they think that they are justified in "TRASHING" the things others hold dear.

I understand about people standing up for what they believe. I hope they do. I encourage it, but don't trash and bash and broad brush (I know have been guilty of this, but being here has taught me to weigh my words carefully!!! ) That goes for either side.

I literally HATE the labels. Let's all just be friends and have some lively discussions. Let's stop the bashing on BOTH sides of the coin.

I'm all for that.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I agree a person could be in much more danger for making the judgment call.

But, the real issue at hand is this - you are saying you don't respect their view or how they interpret scripture to say you are lost.

If we have two opposing views - who is right? Do we only respect your view and that you don't agree with their interpretation? Or do we also respect their view and interpretation? What do we do in this case?

Therein lies the problem.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by LadyCoonskinner

I agree with this post. I don't tell people that they are going to Hell. I'm not the judge. I have my OPINIONS, but living in the state I do, the MOST CONSERVATIVE state in the union, I understand about having certain beliefs "crammed down your throat" (FYI.....this is not the current administration or the one before, either)

What I object, violently, to is that, at times, people can say HARSH things and get away with it, but then when someone comes in defends what they believe just as harshly, they are crucified. Because they've been hurt by the machinery, they think that they are justified in "TRASHING" the things others hold dear.

I understand about people standing up for what they believe. I hope they do. I encourage it, but don't trash and bash and broad brush (I know have been guilty of this, but being here has taught me to weigh my words carefully!!! ) That goes for either side.

I literally HATE the labels. Let's all just be friends and have some lively discussions. Let's stop the bashing on BOTH sides of the coin.

I agree.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Cindy is an Antilabelist.

And ironically, labeled.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by LadyCoonskinner

I agree with this post. I don't tell people that they are going to Hell. I'm not the judge. I have my OPINIONS, but living in the state I do, the MOST CONSERVATIVE state in the union, I understand about having certain beliefs "crammed down your throat" (FYI.....this is not the current administration or the one before, either)

What I object, violently, to is that, at times, people can say HARSH things and get away with it, but then when someone comes in defends what they believe just as harshly, they are crucified. Because they've been hurt by the machinery, they think that they are justified in "TRASHING" the things others hold dear.

I understand about people standing up for what they believe. I hope they do. I encourage it, but don't trash and bash and broad brush (I know have been guilty of this, but being here has taught me to weigh my words carefully!!! ) That goes for either side.

I literally HATE the labels. Let's all just be friends and have some lively discussions. Let's stop the bashing on BOTH sides of the coin.

Amen! The words I highlighted in bold are true and we may make some headway down the road - someday - hopefully in the near future.

I can, emphatically, say FCF, NFCF, GNC and AFF have really trained me to try and listen to see another person's point of view. Not that I am perfect and have always done my best, but I try!

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I agree a person could be in much more danger for making the judgment call.

But, the real issue at hand is this - you are saying you don't respect their view or how they interpret scripture to say you are lost.

If we have two opposing views - who is right? Do we only respect your view and that you don't agree with their interpretation? Or do we also respect their view and interpretation? What do we do in this case?

Simple - we use our reading comprehension skills.

I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but the Bible is very clear on what issues are salvic.

For a person to say that a man is going to hell for having facial hair (Just one example) it's plain ridiculous.

If that person said "In an effort to please God, I feel convicted of wearing a beard, and so I won't and I don't think any Christian man should" I have no problem with that.

To say "You're going to hell if you're a man with a beard" that's absolutely ridiculous.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Amen! The words I highlighted in bold are true and we may make some headway down the road - someday - hopefully in the near future.

I can, emphatically, say FCF, NFCF, GNC and AFF have really trained me to try and listen to see another person's point of view. Not that I am perfect and have always done my best, but I try!

You still take my wife's word, sniff, over mine!!


Seriously, I agree 100%, me too!

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by LadyCoonskinner

I agree with this post. I don't tell people that they are going to Hell. I'm not the judge. I have my OPINIONS, but living in the state I do, the MOST CONSERVATIVE state in the union, I understand about having certain beliefs "crammed down your throat" (FYI.....this is not the current administration or the one before, either)

What I object, violently, to is that, at times, people can say HARSH things and get away with it, but then when someone comes in defends what they believe just as harshly, they are crucified. Because they've been hurt by the machinery, they think that they are justified in "TRASHING" the things others hold dear.

I understand about people standing up for what they believe. I hope they do. I encourage it, but don't trash and bash and broad brush (I know have been guilty of this, but being here has taught me to weigh my words carefully!!! ) That goes for either side.

I literally HATE the labels. Let's all just be friends and have some lively discussions. Let's stop the bashing on BOTH sides of the coin.

I don't like the labels either.

Another thing that I believe is a problem here too is we are very familiar with each other......it's a good thing, but because of it we also sometimes don't listen to the poster because we already have in our mind what we think they are saying.

I see this happening 9 times out of 10. I'd love to experiment with it sometimes if I could. I bet the same thing could be said by two different people and taken differently because of who said it and not what was being said. Make sense?

[LadyCoonskinner]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Yes, it divides and has people, on other forums, talking about the fussing and laughing at the immaturity.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Amen! The words I highlighted in bold are true and we may make some headway down the road - someday - hopefully in the near future.

I can, emphatically, say FCF, NFCF, GNC and AFF have really trained me to try and listen to see another person's point of view. Not that I am perfect and have always done my best, but I try!

That's me too. I may not always agree, but at least I try to keep the judging out of the picture. The Bible says to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Esther

And what you say has merit. That is why we have the report button for when someone does in fact cross the line.

And both sides have been guilty. No question on that either.

Emotions sometimes runs rampart. But for the most part I don't think this board is out to slam the ultrcon. I hate they feel they have been ganged upon, but I think the feeling is that way because so many of them have left. Who is going to stay and defend their beliefs if they all run away?

Any issue should be able to be discussed without insult to either side, and especially from Christians.

JMO

We can only hope we would all feel that way.