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01-25-2009, 10:22 PM
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Mama to four little angels.
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Re: When "I" became a "Him"
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Thank you!
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01-25-2009, 10:36 PM
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A Student of the Word
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Re: When "I" became a "Him"
I did, and I got my free copy.
Thanks Jim
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01-26-2009, 12:41 AM
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Re: When "I" became a "Him"
ושׁפכתי8210 על5921 בית1004 דויד1732 ועל5921 יושׁב3427 ירושׁלם3389 רוח7307 חן2580 ותחנונים8469 והביטו5027 אלי413 את853 אשׁר834 דקרו1856 וספדו5594 עליו5921
כמספד5594 על5921 היחיד3173 והמר4843 עליו5921 כהמר4843 על5921 הבכור׃1060
does that come out here?
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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01-26-2009, 12:41 AM
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Re: When "I" became a "Him"
LXX
Zec 12:10καὶ ἐκχεῶ ἐπὶ τὸν οἶκον Δαυιδ καὶ ἐπὶ τοὺς κατοικοῦντας Ιερουσαλημ πνεῦμα χάριτος καὶ οἰκτιρμοῦ, καὶ ἐπιβλέψονται πρός με ἀνθ᾿ ὧν κατωρχήσαντο καὶ κόψονται ἐπ᾿ αὐτὸν κοπετὸν ὡς ἐπ᾿ ἀγαπητὸν καὶ ὀδυνηθήσονται ὀδύνην ὡς ἐπὶ πρωτοτόκῳ.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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01-26-2009, 12:42 AM
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Re: When "I" became a "Him"
NET bible commentary
15 tc Because of the difficulty of the concept of the mortal piercing of God, the subject of this clause, and the shift of pronoun from "me" to "him" in the next, many mss read אֲשֶׁראֵתאַלֵי ('ale 'et 'asher, "to the one whom") rather than the MT's אֲשֶׁראֵתאֵלַי ('ela 'et 'asher, "to me whom"). The reasons for such alternatives, however, are clear--they are motivated by scribes who found such statements theologically objectionable--and they should be rejected in favor of the more difficult reading (lectio difficilior) of the MT.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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01-26-2009, 12:03 PM
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Re: When "I" became a "Him"
I think the writer was repeating words as though God were prophesying at first, and then shifts to himself prophesying and uses the second person, rather than God continuing to speak in first person and using a second person pronoun.
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01-27-2009, 08:17 AM
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Re: When "I" became a "Him"
Praxeas – go for it!
It will be another three days before I can get started (my wife is having “minor” surgery). And it will most likely take another three days to get the job done. Meanwhile, it will be interesting to see how we each render this passage.
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01-27-2009, 10:01 AM
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Re: When "I" became a "Him"
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Originally Posted by mfblume
I think the writer was repeating words as though God were prophesying at first, and then shifts to himself prophesying and uses the second person, rather than God continuing to speak in first person and using a second person pronoun.
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That would be unusual since he started off saying "I"...he is being the mouth piece for God. God is speaking verbatim. So then God would be saying "they will mourn for me" but the prophet changed it to "him"...that would be a violation of prophetic law would it not? adding or changing the word of God?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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