Can a person have the Holy Ghost and be demon poss

Esther · #1 01-29-2009, 12:26 PM

CAN A PERSON HAVE THE HOLY GHOST AND BE DEMON POSSESSED AT THE SAME TIME?

I do not believe a person can be totally possessed and have the Holy Ghost. I do believe a person can have a demonic spirit and the Holy Ghost at the same time. I have spoken to several ministers that operate in the deliverance ministry and they have told me first hand they have cast spirits out of people that have the Holy Ghost.

Perhaps one way of looking at this is a house has several rooms. Each room is filled with different things. The human spirit may fill one and a demonic spirit another and the Holy Ghost may fill several.

I believe if a person is totally filled with God’s spirit then they would not lie or do anything contrary to God’s Word. But most folks do sin because there has been room left for the human spirit and/or demonic spirits.

Do you agree or disagree with the above statements?

mfblume · #2 01-29-2009, 12:28 PM

I agree with you. FILLED with the Spirit disallows one to have anything else inside, though. Paul said to not give PLACE (TOPOS in Greek, which means OCCUPANCY) to the devil. Acts 2:38 is not a cure-all. We must STAY filled with the Spirit.

God dwelt in the most holy place of the temple. That is synonymous with indwelling our human spirits. But we have soul and body as well. And if our souls are not yielded to God for His spirit to influence us, the Spirit of God is locked away in our human spirits alone, and there will be darkness in our souls from sin and carnality.

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Esther · #3 01-29-2009, 12:30 PM

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I agree with you. FILLED with the Spirit disallows one to have anything else inside, though. Paul said to not give PLACE (TOPOS in Greek, which means OCCUPANCY) to the devil. Acts 2:38 is not a cure-all. We must STAY filled with the Spirit.

I agree. Too many of us, me included, are not FILLED with the Holy Ghost. I believe Bro. Tom Barnes was as close as anyone I have ever met.

mfblume · #4 01-29-2009, 12:33 PM

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I agree. Too many of us, me included, are not FILLED with the Holy Ghost. I believe Bro. Tom Barnes was as close as anyone I have ever met.

Paul told believers with the Spirit in Ephesus to BE FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT. If they already had the Holy Ghost and that meant they were always filled, why speak such an admonition to them? Having the Spirit and being FILLED with it are two different things.

It does not fill us like VOLUME being occupied by physical matter, but INFLUENCE from the Spirit being fully submitted to, will cause us to say we are FILLED.

mfblume · #5 01-29-2009, 12:35 PM

You would not call it demon POSSESSION if someone had a spirit in them without it absolutely controlling them. DEMON POSSESSION is like SPIRIT FILLING in terminological implication. Not that the Spirit of God is evil. lololol. PLEASE note that disclaimer. Spirit FILLING disallows anything else from entering. Demon POSSESSION also implies nothing else but the devil is in a person. There are degrees to indwelling presence of both God's Spirit and a demon spirit, though.

The folks who did SEARCH FOR TRUTH bible study did a series called ABC -- and volumes 16-18 are about this very thing.

Esther · #6 01-29-2009, 12:38 PM

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You would not call it demon POSSESSION if someone had a spirit in them without it absolutely controlling them. DEMON POSSESSION is like SPIRIT FILLING. Spirit FILLING disallows anything else from entering. Demon POSSESSION also implies nothing else but the devil is in a person. There are degrees to indwelling presence of both God's Spirit and a demon spirit, though.

The folks who did SEARCH FOR TRUTH bible study did a series called ABC -- and volumes 16-18 are about this very thing.

I agree and I think that is where the confusion has come in. Understanding FILLED vs not being filled.

mfblume · #7 01-29-2009, 12:39 PM

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I agree and I think that is where the confusion has come in. Understanding FILLED vs not being filled.

Exactly.

The term Filled by very definition implies degrees.

staysharp · #8 01-29-2009, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

CAN A PERSON HAVE THE HOLY GHOST AND BE DEMON POSSESSED AT THE SAME TIME?

I do not believe a person can be totally possessed and have the Holy Ghost. I do believe a person can have a demonic spirit and the Holy Ghost at the same time. I have spoken to several ministers that operate in the deliverance ministry and they have told me first hand they have cast spirits out of people that have the Holy Ghost.

Perhaps one way of looking at this is a house has several rooms. Each room is filled with different things. The human spirit may fill one and a demonic spirit another and the Holy Ghost may fill several.

I believe if a person is totally filled with God’s spirit then they would not lie or do anything contrary to God’s Word. But most folks do sin because there has been room left for the human spirit and/or demonic spirits.

Do you agree or disagree with the above statements?

No, the Holy Spirit does not co-habitat with Satan. However, if you define speaking in tongues as the Holy Ghost, then I guess he could. The Holy Spirit is defined by the fruit it produces; love, joy, peace, etc. and it must testify of Jesus the Christ.

Much of what is Pentecostalism today is not the Holy Spirit, but rather a mystical form of witchcraft which is very subtle to mimic the true infilling of the Holy Spirit, however the fruit which is produced is aberrant and not fit for spiritual consumption.

Esther · #9 01-29-2009, 12:48 PM

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No, the Holy Spirit does not co-habitat with Satan. However, if you define speaking in tongues as the Holy Ghost, then I guess he could. The Holy Spirit is defined by the fruit it produces; love, joy, peace, etc. and it must testify of Jesus the Christ.

Much of what is Pentecostalism today is not the Holy Spirit, but rather a mystical form of witchcraft which is very subtle to mimic the true infilling of the Holy Spirit, however the fruit which is produced is aberrant and not fit for spiritual consumption.

I think most do use speaking in tongues as the evidence of having the Holy Ghost. I do know that the devil can cause people to speak in tongues as well, but the Holy Ghost should be able to discern the difference.

Terry G. · #10 01-29-2009, 12:49 PM

Yes! It is BLASPHEMING THE HOLY GHOST. Possession and oppression by spirits are Not the same ball of wax. Thats when God turns them over to a reprobate mind. This is a very basic answer to that question. Mature DM know many factors weigh-in here IF God will REDELIVER a soul or not. See Romans 1st and 2nd chapters and all of Jude. And Thyatira in Revelation 2. God or SAtan owns a person. Not both. Bound by spirits comes from sinning and isnt possession, yet...