Can a person have the Holy Ghost and be demon poss

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Well I hate to say this....but I have heard a lot of "things" from evangelists and quite frankly I think they have the gift of exaggeration...many do. Why would God FILL someone with His powerful Spirit and NOT deliver that person from a demonic spirit? That does not make much sense.

Because God works with us as far as we will let him work.

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Act 5:1 But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property,
Act 5:2 and with his wife's knowledge he kept back for himself some of the proceeds and brought only a part of it and laid it at the apostles' feet.
Act 5:3 But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land?
Act 5:4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."

The text does not assume he was a believer...least not filled with the Spirit (Yet). However the "speak" does not mean Satan Himself took possession of this individual. Rather he was influenced to lie.

Perhaps he did receive the Holy Spirit but lost it.

I never said Ananias had a devil. I am simply saying there are believers who do wicked things at times, and think wicked thoughts. God does not always strive with man, but He does to an extent.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Well I hate to say this....but I have heard a lot of "things" from evangelists and quite frankly I think they have the gift of exaggeration...many do. Why would God FILL someone with His powerful Spirit and NOT deliver that person from a demonic spirit? That does not make much sense.

I can't answer that. All I can say is there are a lot of people that have been filled with the Holy Ghost and still have generational curses.

Many preach this is not possible, yet many testify to the fact they have to deal with it.

I think we have taught a lot of things that facts don't back up. For example:
Back in the 60's we were taught when you get the Holy Ghost all was well, no more problems. Facts didn't agree with that. In fact, many times you had more battles, BUT you now had God to fight the battle for you where as before you didn't. Many expected the Holy Ghost to be our housekeeper instead of us being responsible for keeping our house clean.

I know the Bible says we become a new creature. A new creature with a new spirit. And in some that is true and they have a total deliverance, others don't seem to have that same experience.

Maybe we are dealing with Mercy and Grace. For example: two girls commit fornication, one gets pregnant and the other doesn't. Mercy was the girl didn't get pregnant, grace was the Lord would give her the grace to go through the pregnacy. They were both guilty of the same sin.

I don't have all the answers and I'm afraid there are some that think they do and they don't. I think we have built on traditions of what was taught and now the evidence is not backing it up.

Then again back in the day I don't remember anyone leaving the altars filled with the Holy Ghost that wasn't completely delivered of whatever they had. Now we have folks get the Holy Ghost and still fight addiction to smoking, still fight addiction to homosexuality. God is the same, His power is still there. But I will also say, most didn't get the Holy Ghost back then the first night they went to the altar, some did but more didn't, from my experience. But when they got it they kept it, their house was swept clean.

Why is it different today? God has not changed.

I don't have all the answers but you can't tell a person that has spoken in tongues it isn't for today. Nor can you tell a person that has been delivered that they weren't delivered because they had the Holy Ghost.

So you that say this is not possible explain how that can be????

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Folks, because we disagree does not mean those who disagree with us are flakes. Come on. I think we ought to be humble about things. Everyone COULD BE wrong about something in their beliefs.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

I know. It makes me sad. It's the one area honesty and integrity is desperately needed, and it's just not always there.

And before anyone gets all huffy...I know there are people here (at AFF) who do this sort of thing and have all the honesty and integrity a person could possibly possess. I'm not saying it's all across the board...it just seems to be more common to find someone with big stories and no follow through than it is to find someone with follow through who may or may not share stories.

Many will not share their stories to be trample on. Don't cast your pearls before the swine.

And yes there are those who claim they have a deliverance ministry that is more about them than God.

But there are men/women that have a deliverance ministry that it is all about God.

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Well I hate to say this....but I have heard a lot of "things" from evangelists and quite frankly I think they have the gift of exaggeration...many do. Why would God FILL someone with His powerful Spirit and NOT deliver that person from a demonic spirit? That does not make much sense.

Just to offer a thought that came as I read this post..."the operation of strongholds".

I have asked very similar questions when seeing many dear brothers and sisters seemingly remain in some type of merry-go-round involving a captivity.

I am left to consider that there may well be many 'childish' things that we must decide to 'put away' from our conversation, requiring a purposeful act of our own will.

I am also prompted to consider the role of the wilderness for the nation of Israel. This gap (or deadband?) between being baptised in the sea and under the cloud was to accomplish the working of death concerning unbelief.

just some thoughts.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by OnTheFritz

I disagree with the notion that any time we sin we are housing an evil spirit (liars, adulterer, etc). We are quite capable of sinning with demon impression, oppression or possession.

Amen.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by OnTheFritz

I disagree with the notion that any time we sin we are housing an evil spirit (liars, adulterer, etc). We are quite capable of sinning with demon impression, oppression or possession.

You missed my point. If God does not cohabit with a demon why would he cohabit with our sins?

He hates liars and say He has a place in hell for them.

I think we want to excuse or make it seem milder than the other.

Just a thought.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Esther

Many will not share their stories to be trample on. Don't cast your pearls before the swine.

And yes there are those who claim they have a deliverance ministry that is more about them than God.

But there are men/women that have a deliverance ministry that it is all about God.

Exactly. I'd rather talk to someone who doesn't tell the stories, but has the follow through that matters. Not that the stories are bad to hear! But they alone don't help anyone.

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Still our bodies, not a compartment, is the temple of the Spirit. Is someone FILLED with the Spirit or is just a compartment filled? Can God co-habit with demons? Or will He?

Was God in the Tabernacle's holiest while Phinehas and Hophni ministered there?