no because how can you have the spirit of GOD and spirit of the Devil at same time
My thoughts exactly.
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CAN A PERSON HAVE THE HOLY GHOST AND BE DEMON POSSESSED AT THE SAME TIME?
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I do not believe a person can be totally possessed and have the Holy Ghost. I do believe a person can have a demonic spirit and the Holy Ghost at the same time. I have spoken to several ministers that operate in the deliverance ministry and they have told me first hand they have cast spirits out of people that have the Holy Ghost.
I don't.
I think there are only 2 possible options here. 1. That person has never received the Holy Ghost. or 2. There were no demons.
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Perhaps one way of looking at this is a house has several rooms. Each room is filled with different things. The human spirit may fill one and a demonic spirit another and the Holy Ghost may fill several.
I've never heard this before. I know it was addressed further on in the thread so I'll go re-read before posing questions.
My one comment is in regard to the demons though. I can't imagine anyone with a demon filling any part of them could stand the presence of God.
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I'll share this with you if you like. I sent my response via PM for your review. Before you read it, pray. Pray that God lead and guide you into all truth. Read it, don't just discount it... also don't just believe it. Test the waters so to speak when casting these things out, when they are properly identified it often shocks them. But be careful, they can turn violent when exposed. Also study the Word on the subject. Don't go by what others have written, allow the Holy Ghost to open your understanding. You're free to share your initial thoughts in PM or here on the thread of course.
My response will be in your private messages.
I actually went to the PM before coming here and seeing your post (above) on this thread.
It was interesting, referenced with a lot of scripture for sure... although, in my opinion, still flawed. But thanks for taking the time to put that together.
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I actually went to the PM before coming here and seeing your post (above) on this thread.
It was interesting, referenced with a lot of scripture for sure... although, in my opinion, still flawed. But thanks for taking the time to put that together.
Be blessed.
That's cool. Hey, we all study and come to out conclusions. If you don't mind, could you mention some of the flaws you see? This goes deeper, maybe I have some answers... maybe you have valuable food for thought I can consider.
Would you share what you believe about the relationship between unclean spirits and fallen angels? Also share your perspective on the why you believe spirits seek to possess people.
A couple final questions: Have you ever spoken to a spirit possessing a person? Have you ever confronted a principality of a local community or state? How did these experiences differ from your perspective?
Would you share what you believe about the relationship between unclean spirits and fallen angels?
What leads you to believe that unclean spirits are not fallen angels?
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Also share your perspective on the why you believe spirits seek to possess people.
Because they are so completely entrenched in darkness (there is nothing good about them and they cannot do good) that all they seek is to steal, to kill, and to destroy mankind. They are utterly corrupt, unredeemable, evil, and rightly named, our enemy. They seek to pervert God's laws, God's righteousnes, God's ways, and all that is holy and true. They're main objective is to enslave mankind through whatever tactics they can in sin with the ultimate goal of man's eternal damnation.
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A couple final questions: Have you ever spoken to a spirit possessing a person?
no
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Have you ever confronted a principality of a local community or state?
I've been confronted by demons before...mostly in a semisleep or sleep state, although I can tell when some of them are around trying to cause mischief.
Most recently a devil tried to kill me in a dream.
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Im still waiting for someone to prove that is true. You are asking the question but assuming the conclusion is true (circular argument). Second I don't see "generational curse" in the bible, but why assume that is a demon possession? I see no evidence to support that
You won't see rapture in the bible either, but we understand what it is referring to.
A generational curse might just be a learned behavior. I see LOTS of families like this. They learn a behavior from their parents
There are many that believe this is true. I know of one prominent minister that does believe and teach generational curses.
Whatever is not backed up in the word I won't make a doctrine out of it. If it is not the word or contradicts the word, Paul said let the word of God be true and every man a liar
I agree, however, I don't believe everything we can ever hope to experience is in the Bible.
How can it be true for some and not for others? I suggest maybe some did not get the Spirit to begin with or what we are dealing with are not demonic spirits at all but physical or psychological addictions or learned behaviors. That is why we are to renew our minds daily. We are being changed from glory to glory
A demonic spirit...we are talking about a Holy Ghost filled person having a demon.
That is what I would call it. If you have a spirit cast out of you wouldn't you consider that to be a demon?
We have the word of God.
Not being completely delivered from something does not make them demon possessed though.
Not saying possessed but possessing a spirit.
What does the word say? Nothing is different and the word does not indicate a Holy Ghost filled person can be demon possessed at teh same time
Does it say you can't?
I didn't say speaking in tongues isn't for today.
Didn't say you did.
Im not even sure what you mean here
That is what I am telling you. It's not. There is nothing to explain because it is not. I have seen and heard of people being accused of having a demon when the did not.
And we don't need a prophet to know if there is a demon in the house. I have witnessed demon possession and we did not have a Bro Bustard there to tell us. They manifest when the Spirit of God moves. They manifest when a Holy Ghost filled person is present. I don't see how someone can have the Spirit of God for a while and yet have had a demon too and nothing happen until an Evangelist/prophet came on the scene unless that church was deader than a door nail
Yes that is true. But from what I understand from those you have been delivering saints from spirits it is not spirits that have been manifesting themselves. The saint knows something isn't right.
I don't have all the answers which is why I wanted to get some feedback.
But I can't discount the people I have spoken to that have dealt with this.
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I think there are only 2 possible options here. 1. That person has never received the Holy Ghost. or 2. There were no demons.
I've never heard this before. I know it was addressed further on in the thread so I'll go re-read before posing questions.
My one comment is in regard to the demons though. I can't imagine anyone with a demon filling any part of them could stand the presence of God.
I had always believed that also. But I have talked to ministers that are experiencing this happening. Now whether or not we are talking demons or spirits, I think of them as being the same. ???
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I'll share this with you if you like. I sent my response via PM for your review. Before you read it, pray. Pray that God lead and guide you into all truth. Read it, don't just discount it... also don't just believe it. Test the waters so to speak when casting these things out, when they are properly identified it often shocks them. But be careful, they can turn violent when exposed. Also study the Word on the subject. Don't go by what others have written, allow the Holy Ghost to open your understanding. You're free to share your initial thoughts in PM or here on the thread of course.
My response will be in your private messages.
Aquila, is there any chance you would send this to me as well? I'd like to see what you're saying about this.
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No.
... I think there are only 2 possible options here. 1. That person has never received the Holy Ghost. or 2. There were no demons.
I agree with your points here nahkoe. I suppose it's important to remember that a lot of Spirit-filled people can still have a lot of of problems without invoking demons. I think that in the past we've been too quick to call everything a "spirit" and not look further.
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