Article by Sabin on women teaching

[Sister Alvear]

Elder, it says...wife/ husband of one... look in the interlinear..greek english new testament..

It says to be of one wife/husband...so the rule applies to either...
Would we say the greek is wrong?

[Trouvere]

She's right Brother Blume someone could translate that to fit whatever theology they desire on the subject.It could be translated different.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Elder, it says...wife/ husband of one... look in the interlinear..greek english new testament..

It says to be of one wife/husband...so the rule applies to either...
Would we say the greek is wrong?

The greek for WIFE is as follows:

G1135
γυνή
gunē
goo-nay'
Probably from the base of G1096 ; a woman; specifically a wife: - wife, woman.

Husband is:

G435
ἀνήρ
anēr
an'-ayr
A primary word (compare G444); a man (properly as an individual male): - fellow, husband, man, sir.

ANER is always a man, and cannot be a woman.

1Ti 3:2 A bishop1985 then3767 must1163 be1511 blameless,423 the husband435 of one3391 wife,1135 vigilant,3524 sober,4998 of good behavior,2887 given to hospitality,5382 apt to teach;1317

I cannot see where it allows for alternating between the ordering of "anēr of one gunē" and "gunē of one anēr".

It did not say the bishop can be a "gune". What am I missing? I am open.

[Sister Alvear]

I am not promoting manly women but am saying women was used and can be used of God. NO GODLY woman would ever want to be manly in manner, dress or action...

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by mfblume

The greek for WIFE is as follows:

G1135
γυνή
gunē
goo-nay'
Probably from the base of G1096 ; a woman; specifically a wife: - wife, woman.

Husband is:

G435
ἀνήρ
anēr
an'-ayr
A primary word (compare G444); a man (properly as an individual male): - fellow, husband, man, sir.

ANER is always a man, and cannot be a woman.



I cannot see where it allows for alternating between the ordering of "anēr of one gunē" and "gunē of one anēr".

It did not say the bishop can be a "gune". What am I missing? I am open.

are we reading from the same interlinear?
Gune if I remember right is a married woman? It has been a long time since I have read from the different translations.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

are we reading from the same interlinear?
Gune if I remember right is a married woman? It has been a long time since I have read from the different translations.

I am only taking the GREEK terms used in the verse and showing which position these words stand in the verse with their definitions. I cannot see how ANY version can alternate between GUNE and ANER, when it says the bishop must be an ANER of one GUNE, not a GUNE of one ANER.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I am not promoting manly women but am saying women was used and can be used of God. NO GODLY woman would ever want to be manly in manner, dress or action...

I agree.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I like all these additions to the Word. Does the bible say "THERE WAS NO MAN"?

All we read is this:

Jdg 4:3-5 KJV And the children of Israel cried unto the LORD: for he had nine hundred chariots of iron; and twenty years he mightily oppressed the children of Israel. (4) And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time. (5) And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.

I didn't say there was no man.I said there was no ONE man.God usually used only ONE man at a time to lead his people.Why don't you address these other points I made ?

At that time God had no one man to lead his people and there were several judges at the time.Go all back though the old testement all the leaders that God had one at a time were men.How come any of the apostles were not women ? Apostles are head athority in the church.Women can't hold any head athorty because man is head (athority) of women.Women can't be a bishop because a bishop must be able to teach and a women can't teach men.A bishop must know how to rule his house so he knows how to rule the church.A woman can't rule the house or a church

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Joelel

I didn't say there was no man.I said there was no ONE man.

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Oh, so where does the bible say "there was no one man", so God had to have a woman?

I've rarely seen such adding to the word.

God usually used only ONE man at a time to lead his people.

So? That does not prove anything.

Why don't you address these other points I made ?

Because they're all in the same category of conjecture and lack substantial evidence to prove your case that God needed "one man".

At that time God had no one man to lead his people and there were several judges at the time.Go all back though the old testement all the leaders that God had one at a time were men.

So? Deborah was still a woman and a judge. Bro. Epley alone made a good case saying that it could be okay for woman to secularly lead but not ecclesiastically. But to say that Barak was wimpy so God had to choose a woman, based upon the idea that Barak wanted a woman to go with him to deal with something, is absolutely unfounded.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Eliseus

Considering the prevaling social (both Jewish, Greek, and Roman) regarding the social roles of women, why is there no CLEAR CUT AFFIRMATION of these doctrines of women being in leadership in the church to be found in the New Testament?

Where is the apostolic DENUNCIATIONS of "worldly, pagan suppression of women's rights and abilities"?

Also, were the earliest Christians ever censured or derided by their peers for having "women leaders"?

Just wondering...

I have a sort of rhetorical question...It might be a radical departure from the social norm had Paul done that...and perhaps it might have caused more trouble for the church than was necessary..Rom 12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

Why didn't Paul outright oppose slavery in the strongest terms? Why instead tell slaves to stay with their masters? Is slavery ok? Was that Paul's message? Or was he trying to spare the church further persecution by going against a legally and socially accepted practice that would cause people possibly financial hardship?