Re: Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....
Ferd,
Bernards' first paragraph indicates he is speaking to all Oneness Apostlics:
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Most Christian movements have initially placed great emphasis on a lifestyle that is separate
from the world, teaching that believers should manifest holiness in attitudes, conduct, speech,
amusements, and dress. Practical teachings of this nature were prominent in ancient Christianity
of the first three centuries, medieval revival movements, the Protestant Reformation, the
Holiness movement, and the Pentecostal movement.2
Today, however, Oneness Pentecostals, or Apostolics, are one of the few groups to maintain
the importance of holiness in adornment, dress, and amusements. Other groups typically argue
that these teachings are outmoded or must be modified greatly because of changes in culture.
How relevant to the church today are biblical instructions? Should they be modified in light
of cultural changes?
The discussion goes beyond the org ... as HIS paper implicates ... and seeks to influence an entire movement.
Do you hold DB to the same litmus test ... I think not.
The discussion continues ... even if you think some are not qualified to engage in it.
Re: Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Ferd,
Bernards' first chapter indicates he is speaking to all Oneness Apostlics:
The discussion goes beyond the org ... as this paper implicates ... and seeks to influence an entire movement.
Do you hold DB to the same litmus test ... I think not.
The discussion continues ... even if you think some are not qualified to engage in it.
More to the point. I agree with DB is saying. I also understand your distaste for it.
Your first post was much more about the UPCI and much less about David Barnard's "sanitizing" Apostolic "history".
I take it, you are distancing from your first post in order to regroup around a more defensible argument?
well, in the first place, you are still quick to shade the UPCI in as negative light as possible. Its like the scripture that explains a nagging woman... like a continual dripping on a rainy day.
in the second place, DB is in general correct. We came from a holiness movement that predates the out pouring of the Holy Ghost.
in General the Apostolic movement has been vastly more conservative than other groups down thru the decades (especially since the 1940's to the present).
but we are certainly now dealing with a movement within our ranks to "catch up with" or "fall back to" the place where the rest of Christianity is. (I will leave it to the reader to decide which it is).
That is what DB is dealing with and your attempt to make him into some sinister anti-progressive who is trying to white wash some great part of "Apostolic History" reeks of the typical sour grapes you seem so enamored with.
Face it DanA, your neo-apostolic message is very much new. It isn't reflected in the history of the Apostolic movement in any meaningful and expansive way.
Sure there has always been a group that was more liberal, but as a movement, what DB states reflects the larger portion of Oneness Pentecostals.
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Re: Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....
It's about pleasing self. All the arguments boil down to I will please myself. God ain't in it.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
Re: Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....
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Originally Posted by Cindy
It's about pleasing self. All the arguments boil down to I will please myself. God ain't in it.
That isn't true. I have no argument. But I couldn't lie to myself anymore. When I read the scripture and search my heart I don't get the same interpretation. I want to please God but boasting in my flesh is not the way to do it.
Re: Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....
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Originally Posted by deltaguitar
That isn't true. I have no argument. But I couldn't lie to myself anymore. When I read the scripture and search my heart I don't get the same interpretation. I want to please God but boasting in my flesh is not the way to do it.
I mean the debate about hair, clothes, etc. It's confusing and God is not confused.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
Re: Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....
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Originally Posted by Cindy
I mean the debate about hair, clothes, etc. It's confusing and God is not confused.
I agree he is not confused in the least. All of this wouldn't be necessary if we would just trust God to actually work in people's lives. God knows how to do way more than we can.
I have no problem with ladies not cutting their hair if they feel led and honestly you can read the text literally and come up with that conclusion. But the danger and harms of legalism are so much more than the danger that cut hair can lead to.
Re: Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....
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Originally Posted by deltaguitar
That isn't true. I have no argument. But I couldn't lie to myself anymore. When I read the scripture and search my heart I don't get the same interpretation. I want to please God but boasting in my flesh is not the way to do it.
That is the right way to do it. But we know God is not the author of confusion. We can over study too.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
All of this wouldn't be necessary if we would just trust God to actually work in people's lives. God knows how to do way more than we can. 
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