Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Sure, blame OP's. (Why am I not surprised?)

If you think people like me in the OP movement are the ones responsible for the rift between OP and Trinitarianism, then you might want to take a good look at the Pentecostal history, beginning with and the OP/Trin splt in the early 1900's. It doesnt surprise me that you'd want to put blame primarily on OP's, and ignore some of the nasty things said and nasty attitudes from Trintarians toward Apostolics for generations now. That seems to be a popular sentiment around here -- I'm so used to seeing folks here saying how us OP's have just been too mean to those cuddy wuddly Twinitarians.

But why are we even going on and on about this?...
Why? ....because you're "grieved" that I have disdain for Trinitarianism, and little patience with the false teachers that propagate it? Well, that's my view. Can I not state that as my opinion without you giving me grief over it?

Maybe we can just cut this short, because this "conversation" is not acheiving much, and I dont have much desire to prolong it .

Take care.

Yup! If someone wants to see it in action go to Trinitarian board where they attack Oneness

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Well, everyone has their cross to bear, my dear sisters.

Robes are cool. They are like dresses, only for men!!

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Yup! If someone wants to see it in action go to Trinitarian board where they attack Oneness

Oh yeah. They rough us up pretty good on those forums.

But to hear some folks tell it, it still comes back to being our fault somehow.
I guess if we were "nicer" to them, they'd have nicer things to say about us?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Oh yeah. They rough us up pretty good on those forums.

But to hear some folks tell it, it still comes back to being our fault somehow.
I guess if we were "nicer" to them, they'd have nicer things to say about us?

What is really funny is to hear or see them talk about how bad Oneness people are...all the will spitting out their own venom

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Oh yeah. They rough us up pretty good on those forums.

But to hear some folks tell it, it still comes back to being our fault somehow.
I guess if we were "nicer" to them, they'd have nicer things to say about us?

I am not one of those people who think it is all the OPs fault. I do however think we have and do bear some responsibility for the rift.

And yes, generally when one shows himself friendly, he makes friends.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

What is really funny is to hear or see them talk about how bad Oneness people are...all the will spitting out their own venom

Yup. A lot of it is just based on sheer ignorance.
It's kinda sad to me .

I was with a bunch of saints doing outreach ministry in a train station once. And this older lady from a nearby Charismatic church came up to us and handed one of our church members a tract. She had this sincere, but pitiful look on her face... as if she was ministering to a bunch of Jehovah's Witnesses. I actually felt bad for her, the poor thing. I just shook my head, and moved on. Such ignorance.

[Rock]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Urshan School, David Bernard, UPCI National Youth Congress etc are all UPCI functions/ministers/organizations.

why the shock that DB actually believes in the stuff he has always believed in and continues to hold the same standards he as always held?

good grief Dan, I get you don't like any kind of traditional OP trappings. I get that completely. God in his heaven knows you have pointed that out plenty of times! We all get that you don't like long hair, long dresses and I suppose you think holes in ears are a form of worship to the great Lord above.

and good for you too....

but do you have to do this continual attack on the UPCI and the things it does? YOU LEFT DAN.

You left. You have your own deal now and good on ya. How about leaving the rest of us alone. Here is a news flash for you. The UPCI doesn't speak for you. The UPCI isn't in the business of strong arming any of the myriad or other organizations/pseudo-organizations/and various and sundry groups who either used to be UPCI or never were UPCI.

The UPCI is about itself. The UPCI wants to hold on to some things that are still important to the membership of the organization. Move on. The UPCI isn't "sanitizing" any thing. The UPCI isn't "censoring" anything.

The UPCI is simply saying this is who we are, what we have been, and what we intend to be in the future.

Your use of the words "Sanitizing" and "censoring" are attempts on your part to marginalize and demean a group you happily walked away from.

There is an old song. some of the lyrics are appropriate. Don't go away mad, just go away.

Very well spoken, I agree

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I am not one of those people who think it is all the OPs fault. I do however think we have and do bear some responsibility for the rift.

And yes, generally when one shows himself friendly, he makes friends.

Very nice sentiments, Steven. But this goes beyond just "being friendly".

The rift is primarily based on doctrine. There are critical doctrinal differences that are like oil and water ---they cant truly mix, although some OP's seem hellbent on trying.

I know of one Apostolic fellowship that decided to put their differences aside and merge with a Trinitarian group a few decades ago. Within a generation, the Trinitarians were clearly getting the upper hand. Today, they are simply a Trinitarian organization.
That's the kind of thing that happens when you compromise with false doctrine.

[Aquila]

Gentleman, I don't think anyone is talking about abandoning doctrine. There isn't a question about or orthodoxy, the question is regarding our orthopraxy.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Gentleman, I don't think anyone is talking about abandoning doctrine. There isn't a question about or orthodoxy, the question is regarding our orthopraxy.

What?

Did someone call my name?