Vince Larson Apology - Blessing & Cursing

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

In my mind the sum of the issue is TRUTH.

Weeeellll......Come'on sumbody....can I getcha witness up in here....

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

The truth of the matter, PO, is that we ALL live this way. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US have done this exact same thing since we have been saved. IMO, to say it is not so is lying. We ALL have these exact same things (maybe minus the bong and bottle) and none of us is exempt. It is one thing to get caught doing these things and continue to do them without regard. It is quite another to struggle against the flesh pulling at us. Question is, has there been any progress? I still struggle with things. But I don't struggle like I struggled when I got saved.

Apologizing and true repentance are not always one and the same.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Apologizing and true repentance are not always one and the same.

Agreed!!!!

Editing to say that I agree in general and not directing this to VL.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Apologizing and true repentance are not always one and the same.

Are you suggesting like Randy, that VL must repent ... turn around to God ... or his parents, others who MAY OR MAY NOT think differently?

One can apologize for a situation and try to approach further situations with wisdom and restraint ...

but let's separate the two here ...

VL has an opinion ... on something ... and as his post here says sometimes it's just thinking out loud ....

so a bunch older men who live to play golf and go on cruises and jump from conference to conference ... posting on various MASONIC forums get wind of it ... print out his "private" thoughts and bring it the the attention of various authority figures in his life ...

and now he MUST REPENT?

Is he not living a repentant life?

Care to peek into VL's heart, anyone?

What would you suggest DW?

Keep in mind VL is Holy Ghost filled ministerial peer of yours.

[Blsdbeyondmsure]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Personally, I am not a fan of those who arrange for the punishment of others, either in secret or in the open. I just don't see it as necessary, to put it mildly.

However, I was one who was not a fan of the blog [entry]. (One of the ones that was shared here.) I didn't misinterpret it, nor did I go into a "frenzy." My first thought was that the usage of words was unnecessary to make the point, and my second thought was, "I hope he doesn't [inadvertently] embarrass his parents or cause them pain."

Even as an adult, I am still very conscious of where my parents stood, where my mother still stands, and what offends her, or would cause her embarrassment on my behalf.

Sure, in this day of free thought, free expression, blogs, facebook, forums, etc., you would think our "self-expression" would be something we alone would answer for, and no one else. Unfortunately it still isn't the case. Our words matter, they affect people, and people we love are often held accountable for what they didn't say themselves.

So I do empathize with the fact that you were just "expressing" and perhaps didn't think it through any further than that, but from one PK to another--you should think things through better than that.

Just my 2 cents, no frenzy, no misinterpretation

Good post, Miss Bratt! I didn't read the blog in question so I can't comment regarding misinterpretation, a frenzy or whatever. However, I'm a PK as well and what you've stated resonates with me. Even as an adult, I respect my parents too much to post my views that may contradict their opinions and convictions. I have no idea who lurks here. I wouldn't want to be responsible for stirring up confusion, strife, or trouble because I choose to exercise my right to free expression.

That doesn't mean I am not following God's direction in my life. There's a respectful, private way to accomplish the same thing.

[mizpeh]

"masonic forums" was uncalled for. Where's the love, Dan?

"Keep in mind VL is Holy Ghost filled ministerial peer of yours." Are these men in these masonic forums your ministerial peers as well, Dan? We are all part of the same body, right?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

The truth of the matter, PO, is that we ALL live this way. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US have done this exact same thing since we have been saved. IMO, to say it is not so is lying. We ALL have these exact same things (maybe minus the bong and bottle) and none of us is exempt. It is one thing to get caught doing these things and continue to do them without regard. It is quite another to struggle against the flesh pulling at us. Question is, has there been any progress? I still struggle with things. But I don't struggle like I struggled when I got saved.

MOW,
I would also like to add that there is a big difference in apologizing and walking away, when in sin, before you are caught and found out. Another thing to apologize after, in some cases. Some people only apologize because they are caught and not because they are truly sorry.

Not directing this to VL - just to the discussion.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

MOW,
I would also like to add that there is a big difference in apologizing and walking away, when in sin, before you are caught and found out. Another thing to apologize after, in some cases. Some people only apologize because they are caught and not because they are truly sorry.

Not directing this to VL - just to the discussion.

Couldn't agree more! And only time will reveal the difference.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Couldn't agree more! And only time will reveal the difference.

I couldn't agree with you more - time will reveal the difference.

[edjen01]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

"masonic forums" was uncalled for. Where's the love, Dan?

"Keep in mind VL is Holy Ghost filled ministerial peer of yours." Are these men in these masonic forums your ministerial peers as well, Dan? We are all part of the same body, right?

I'm not Dan.....but yes we are all the same body....and whats good for the goose is good for the gander.