Bishop Johnson was human.
I would not argue about whether he was an apostle or not but whether he was or not does not mean that he was 100 percent accurate in everything that he preached or taught. We all know in part and prophesy in part. We see through a glass (Bible) dimly. Some day we'll be raptured and reach perfection. Until then there will be disagreements among us on just about any doctrine or teaching or interpretation.
Martha: Yes Sam, he was human. But can you find any doctrinal flaws in his preaching that can be substantiated by the scripture? That's the test of his legitimacy, not the fact that he was a mortal man. Bishop Johnson came with a gospel that was foreign to the religious world of his day. He came with the Apostolic doctrine which condemned many things that had heretofore been accepted in the churches and the doctrine of every church that I know of. It seems you know a lot about him independent of anything I might have to say.
Sam, I totally see that he isn't perfect. However, there are people sitting at home and spreading the lies that he was and not only was he an apostle but the LAST APOSTLE to ever walk this earth. They won't hear anyone else because they have been taught that everyone else is FALSE. I get that he was subject to error, but his followers don't.
Martha: Excuse me. We are literate, intelligent people, some of us professionals who read the bible, news papers, hold jobs, have families, watch the news like anybody else. We are not closed inside a chamber never knowing the outside world. I have heard what the rest of the religious world has to offer and I have not found that it is in accordance with what the scripture says. Either a church preaches/teaches what's written or it doesn't.
Was Bishop Johnson the last apostle? I have asked you if YOU KNOW ANYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD who's preaching what Bishop Johnson preached. If you know someone, let us all know who they are and where they are. If you don't, No, there has not been another apostle since Bishop Johnson died. If you believe that your church is right and Bishop Johnson is wrong, where is your proof of that based on the scriptures? I hear you challenging his doctrine and claims but I don't hear you substantiating it.
... I really don't believe that Bishop Johnson believed that a modest dress of any modest length and nylon hose would send anyone to hell. He just frowned on it because it was against the established dress code and therefore was disobedience to the code.
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I used to listen to Bishop Johnson on the radio but only listened a few times to Bishop Shelton.
Unless I'm mistaken, I remember hearing Bishop Johnson tell about passing the scene of an automobile accident with police around it. He said that a woman had died in the accident and her legs were sticking out of the car. He then went on to say that the woman had gone to Hell. He then continued, "How do I know she went to Hell? Because she had on nylons."
Now there's no way I can tell you the date of that message but it was some time before September 1956.
I have a question about Bishop Johnson's teaching on water baptism.
Did Bishop Johnson say that all three words "Lord Jesus Christ" must be said or the baptism was not valid? Did he teach that if a person was baptized using the words "in Jesus name" or "in the name of Jesus Christ" the person would have to be rebaptized "in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ" to be saved?
How can one really believe that there is no Son of God in Heaven right now?
Or maybe I'm just confused on the Biblical Oneness message.
Is Jesus making intercession for us?
I believe there is One God and Jesus Christ is His Name, not because I understand every nuance and mystery, but because the Bible says so.
Martha: IF ANYONE REALLY WANTS TO KNOW WHAT BISHOP JOHNSON SAID ABOUT THERE BEING NO SON OF GOD IN HEAVEN NOW GO TO YOUR COMPUTER AND TYPE IN "BISHOP S. C. JOHNSON" A site will come up called "TRUE WORD APOSTOLIC MINISTRIES OF AMERICAN, INC. THERE WILL BE MORE THAN ONE SITE WITH THIS LABEL. GO TO THE ONE LABELED "IN MEMORY OF BISHOP S. C. JOHNSON" SCROLL DOWN TO THE TAPED AUDIO SERMONS OF BISHOP JOHNSON AND THERE YOU WILL FIND PART ONE AND PART TWO OF "NO SON OF GOD IN HEAVEN NOW" AMONG OTHERS. BISHOP JOHNSON IS THE MAN WHO TAUGHT THE WORLD THAT THERE IS NO TRINITY AND THAT JESUS CHRIST IS GOD ALMIGHTY. IT WAS THERE ALL THE TIME, WRITTEN SINCE THE DAYS OF THE APOSTLES, BUT NO ONE SAW IT. Many received that teaching, AND CLOAKED IT AS THEIR OWN REVELATION WHILE STILL DISCREDITING BISHOP JOHNSON; A SORT OF BITING THE HAND THAT FED YOU BUT EATING UP THE FOOD YOU RECEIVED. Listen and evaluate for yourself. Of course you know that these audio tapes are over 40 years old. The quality of part I is good and clear. The quality of part II is not good. I INVITE ALL TO GO TO THAT SITE AND LISTEN TO THAT AUDIO TAPE FROM THE MOUTH OF BISHOP S. C. JOHNSON AND THEN COME BACK WITH YOUR ANALYSIS, CRITICISMS, AND DISAGREEMENTS. The huge disadvantage now is that Bishop Johnson is dead and unable to defend himself against naysayers who demonize his gospel and him. PLEASE, DO LISTEN TO THIS AUDIO FOR YOUR OWN SAKE AND FOR THE SAKE OF THE TRUTH THAT WAS PREACHED BY BISHOP S. C. JOHNSON, UNLESS YOU'RE AFRAID.
I am not endorsing the site on which these audio tapes are posted because I know nothing about Bishop Walker whose church sponsors this site. But THE TAPES BY BISHOP JOHNSON ARE ALLLL GOOD. And Bishop Walker KNOWS THEY'RE ALL GOOD. That's why he posts them on his web site. THE NAME OF BISHOP JOHNSON STILL DRAWS A CROWD. I WONDER WHY?
Sam, I totally see that he isn't perfect. However, there are people sitting at home and spreading the lies that he was and not only was he an apostle but the LAST APOSTLE to ever walk this earth. They won't hear anyone else because they have been taught that everyone else is FALSE. I get that he was subject to error, but his followers don't.
Martha: Lies? Name ONE LIE that I have spread that can be traced to anything Bishop Johnson preached. If you can't do that then you shouldn't be saying that.
If you get that Bishop Johnson was subject to error, NAME THE ERROR YOU'RE SPEAKING OF THAT YOU GOT AND SUPPORT IT WITH SCRIPTURE.
As for the people sitting at home, we are not ignorant people as your post would suggest. Many of us, including myself, are educated, professional people who are quite capable of reading the scriptures for ourselves and finding the flaws in other church doctrines that cannot be supported by scripture.
How can people expect to receive a fresh word from the Lord for today... when they've commited themselves to just listening to 40 year old tapes?
Just goes to show you that someone can have the Holy Ghost and still be far from what God's will is. Obviously, man-made traditions can be a strong & difficult thing for folks to overcome, even Holy Ghost filled folks.
Martha: TRF, what profit would it be for me to go and listen to a minister who does not know the gospel? What have I accomplished to go sit under a minister who is preaching error to me just so I can look at an animated body preach lies to me. Don't you know that I would rather listen to Bishop Johnson's tapes that preach truth that leads to eternal life than listen to any preacher, in the flesh, preaching error to eternal damnation. I don't know of ANY MINISTER TODAY, ANYWHERE that's preaching truth. In order to know this, one MUST FIRST KNOW THE TRUTH AND SO MANY TODAY JUST DON'T KNOW THE TRUTH AND APPARENTLY THEY LIKE IT THAT WAY.
[QUOTE=warrior;694556]TRFrance, in order for there to be deliverance a person would have to recognize that what they are doing isn't correct. They have convinced themselves that there is no one else who can ever preach the truth except for Bishop Johnson, therefore they only listen to him even if he hasn't spoken a word in over 40 years.
There are several issues with them only listening to tapes. They don't have a leader, or visionary. Who decides what tape is appropriate for the moment? Who is anoiting and praying for the sick? Who is baptizing and ordaining more elders? Too many reasons for any person to feel that this is okay.[/QUOTE
Martha: Bishop Johnson has been dead for 48 years. My husband was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ three years ago. Have you forgotten about God and that He is able to oversee His own or do you trust so much in flesh and blood that God takes a back seat? We used to sing an old song called "God's Got a Way To Bring His People Out". My husband is an example of that. God's word is unchanging. It will be the same a thousand years from now, should the Lord tarry. If you've got a preacher giving you a different spin on it from time to time, he's lying to you. If you go to church to be entertained by the skill of the speaker rather than the truth of what's spoken, you've accomplished nothing. If you can put your mind to it you would see that it is THE WORD that leads. It should always be THE WORD that leads, not the man and the vision is The New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven and the vision of Jesus Christ coming in the clouds. What other vision matters? You words sound so very hollow when placed alongside the wisdom of God.
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