Bishop SC Johnson

[martha]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

Seek help...... professional help....psyhciatric.

Beware the kool-aid.

Martha: What do YOU know about the final judgement, hot shot? Run it by us.

[Sam]

give me some time, here, I'm looking.....

[martha]

Originally Posted by Sam

But Bishop Johnson's preaching did agree with the written word?

What formula did Bishop Johnson insist on in performing the baptism ritual?

Martha: Sam, I wouldn't call it a formula. I don't believe Jesus Christ ever referred to his name as a "formula." But He did insist that His name be recognized, honored as no other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved, and taken in water baptism and spirit baptism so His name is of premiere importance. For instance, you call yourself Sam; Sam who? What distinguishes your name, Sam, from every other person in the world named Sam? You've read the book of Acts. You know how the apostles baptized. You know the commandment. Bishop Johnson preached this same thing. And you also know that Bishop Johnson preached that Father Son and Holy Ghost is not the "name" of the Son of God who is also God Almighty.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by martha

Martha: I saw no scripture quoted by you that Bishop Johnson was not the last apostle to come before the coming of Jesus Christ. What was it? And that says nothing as far as proving your point.

No, my sister. That's not how it works.

I'm not the one making the assertion [that he's the last apostle] .
YOU are.

Thus, you are the one who should be able to show that your assertion is scriptural.

I asked you previously to give us bible verses on which you base your teaching of " no more apostles, prophets, pastors, etc. after Johnson".
As far as I can see, you still havent given us any such such scriptures.

But of course, you cant show any such thing scripturally. Deep down, you and I both know that. Apparently, you simply believe it because Johnson said it. Period. (...never mind the fact that such a claim doesn't line up with scripture.)

[Sam]

Originally Posted by martha

Martha: Sam, I wouldn't call it a formula. I don't believe Jesus Christ ever referred to his name as a "formula." But He did insist that His name be recognized, honored as no other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved, and taken in water baptism and spirit baptism so His name is of premiere importance. For instance, you call yourself Sam; Sam who? What distinguishes your name, Sam, from every other person in the world named Sam? You've read the book of Acts. You know how the apostles baptized. You know the commandment. Bishop Johnson preached this same thing. And you also know that Bishop Johnson preached that Father Son and Holy Ghost is not the "name" of the Son of God who is also God Almighty.

Martha,
I know the words "Father" and "Son" and "Holy Ghost" are not names but neither are "Lord" and "Christ." It is my understanding, and I may be mistaken, that Bishop Johnson insisted that all three words "Lord Jesus Christ" had to be spoken at water baptism and that if the title "Lord" or the title "Christ" was not used, the person had to be rebaptized using the threefold formula "Lord Jesus Christ." Am I correct in this or do you not know for sure? What words have you heard spoken at baptisms?

[martha]

Originally Posted by warrior

Martha, you see the word of God and just because BJ said no son of God in heaven, you believe it in spite of seeing the actual word of God. WOW!

I invited all on this board to key in the name Bishop S. C. Johnson and a web site will come up called Apostolic ministries of America, Inc. More than one site will come up with that name. Click on the site that says "In Memory of Bishop S. C. Johnson" and scroll down to the Bishop Johnson sermons. Click on the one that says No Son of God in Heaven Now Part I. You can't hear part II because those tapes are probably over 50 years old. Listen for yourself out of the mouth of Bishop Johnson.

Your understanding of Jesus ascending and sitting down on the right hand of the father is erroneous. Apostle Paul didn't say "Without controversy, great is the mystery of godliness" for nothing.

[warrior]

Martha,

Check it out!
http://theholytemplechurch.org/

[martha]

Originally Posted by warrior

Martha,

Check it out!
http://theholytemplechurch.org/

I looked over the web site and noted that the church is a spin off of Bishop Johnson's church. An apostle does not learn from another apostle but gets his revelation directly from God. So this man is not an apostle and I don't see where he claims to be an apostle. I noted the 21 burning subjects listed on this web site which is a publication published by Bishop Johnson years ago. From appearance it appears that he preaches what Bishop Johnson preached but I didn't see anything on this site about divorce and remarriage.

[warrior]

Originally Posted by martha

I looked over the web site and noted that the church is a spin off of Bishop Johnson's church. An apostle does not learn from another apostle but gets his revelation directly from God. So this man is not an apostle and I don't see where he claims to be an apostle. I noted the 21 burning subjects listed on this web site which is a publication published by Bishop Johnson years ago. From appearance it appears that he preaches what Bishop Johnson preached but I didn't see anything on this site about divorce and remarriage.

Please don't make excuses not to accept that you can fellowship and have a living pastor. There are those who are preaching the exact same thing that Bishop Johnson is preaching. Maybe one doesn't call themselves an apostle, why is that mandatory for you to have a living pastor. If he is preaching the same thing that you believe, what is the problem? There should be no problem if the teaching aligns with your teaching.

You have no one to anoint you will oil to pray for you when you are sick.

You have no one ordaining elders as scriptures as told us to do.

You have no one counseling you.

You have no one establishing the truth as you claim it is. You aren't erecting churches to bring in the lost.

You have no one who has a vision therefore the people perish.

Is it that you want an excuse not to have accountability to a living pastor to watch for your soul? Honey, you have no one to watch for your soul as the scripture tells us to.

Their teaching on marriage is the same as Bishop Johnson's I promise. Why don't you call the church and speak to Bishop Green. He will be more than happy to to speak with you. Or better yet, why don't you go to the church hear the message and talk with him afterwards.

At this point you have no excuse not to have a living pastor. You have seen people who teach the exact same thing as Bishop Johnson. Now, what are you going to do?

[martha]

Originally Posted by Sam

But Bishop Johnson's preaching did agree with the written word?

What formula did Bishop Johnson insist on in performing the baptism ritual?

Martha: I was baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ according to Acts 2:38. That's how we baptize in this church. Bishop Johnson drew a sharp distinction between baptizing in the name of Jesus Christ and in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, sprinkling, accepting Jesus where you are by holding up a finger, or anything else other than water baptism in water in the name of Jesus Christ. He also authorized baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus or the name of Jesus Christ. If you found that web site and that sermon called "No Son of God in Heaven Now", he also discusses the baptism and addresses this issue.