For Those Wanting A Hot Topic

[Falla39]

Clouds hide a lot of things. Sun, moon, stars, are hid on a cloudy day. Maybe that's
God's way of saying, "It's none of your business what I am doing behind these
clouds. He might be changing "clothes".

When Jesus was finished teaching his disciples for many days after his resurrection,
he gave instuctions telling them what to do next. "Now prepare yourselves and get
on down to Jerusalem", "Wait in that upper room, you know which one", and WAIT!
You will grieve but the world will rejoice. I've walked WITH you but I am going to
walk IN you." "I AM not going to leave you orphans, no way! I WILL come to you".
Then you will rejoice". You shall receive POWER AFTER I AM in you! Brethren,
just take my name with you!


Take the Name of Jesus with you,
Child of sorrow and of woe,
It will joy and comfort give you;
Take it then, wherever you go

Refrain
Precious Name, O how sweet!
Hope of earth and joy of heaven.
Precious Name, O how sweet!
Hope of earth and joy of heaven.

2
Take the Name of Jesus ever,
As a shield from every snare;
If temptations round you gather,
Breathe that holy Name in prayer.

3
O the precious Name of Jesus!
How it thrills our souls with joy,
When His loving arms receive us,
And His songs our tongues employ!

4
At the Name of Jesus bowing,
Falling prostrate at His feet,
King of kings in heaven we'll crown Him,
When our journey is complete.

Just some thoughts! Don't know if it will satisfy those wanting a hot topic or not!!

Falla39

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Clouds hide a lot of things. Sun, moon, stars, are hid on a cloudy day. Maybe that's
God's way of saying, "It's none of your business what I am doing behind these
clouds. He might be changing "clothes".

When Jesus was finished teaching his disciples for many days after his resurrection,
he gave instuctions telling them what to do next. "Now prepare yourselves and get
on down to Jerusalem", "Wait in that upper room, you know which one", and WAIT!
You will grieve but the world will rejoice. I've walked WITH you but I am going to
walk IN you." "I AM not going to leave you orphans, no way! I WILL come to you".
Then you will rejoice". You shall receive POWER AFTER I AM in you! Brethren,
just take my name with you!


Take the Name of Jesus with you,
Child of sorrow and of woe,
It will joy and comfort give you;
Take it then, wherever you go

Refrain
Precious Name, O how sweet!
Hope of earth and joy of heaven.
Precious Name, O how sweet!
Hope of earth and joy of heaven.

2
Take the Name of Jesus ever,
As a shield from every snare;
If temptations round you gather,
Breathe that holy Name in prayer.

3
O the precious Name of Jesus!
How it thrills our souls with joy,
When His loving arms receive us,
And His songs our tongues employ!

4
At the Name of Jesus bowing,
Falling prostrate at His feet,
King of kings in heaven we'll crown Him,
When our journey is complete.

Just some thoughts! Don't know if it will satisfy those wanting a hot topic or not!!

Falla39

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

We have several in Brazil...

Elijahs?... in Brazil?

Well, "Jesus Christ" lives in Houston, TX

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-SC_...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_dUj...eature=related

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%...C3%BAs_Miranda

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Where'd he go?

Where did all OT saints go? Thr grave

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Where did all OT saints go? Thr grave

"The grave" in the clouds for Elijah? And Moses did die and had a grave of some sort in that "God buried him..." But Moses and Elijah were seen together on the Mount with Jesus.

The passage that Mike the Diak brought up from 2 Chronicles 21:15, is one of those apparent "contradictions" that critics of the Bible like to throw around. If Elijah had left these earthly environs earlier in the story, how could he have sent "a writing" to Jehoram and Athaliah? There are many ways that this has been attempted to be worked out.

Some say that the writing was from Elisha in the name of Elijah. Since Elisha had a double portion and the the inheritance of Elijah he could speak in the name of Elijah. And since Jehoram's wife, Athaliah, was the daughter of Ahab and Jezebel, Elijah's old nemeses the letter would have had more of an impact in and showed that the power of Elijah and Elijah's God was still at work.

The notes in the Geneva Bible carry this explanation. Others, like Wesley attempt to play with the chronology a bit. Some say that this writing was prepared by Elijah before he ascended.

Some question after a transcription error, that a scribe mistakenly wrote "Elijah" when he had intended "Elisha." So many preachers make the same mistake that you could almost see the validity of this one, but it lacks any support from the manuscripts.

Since most people take the account from 1 Kings 2 as being literal they don't have Elijah walking around on earth and writing letters after those events. Malachi 4:4-6 tells us that Elijah would be sent by God before that great and dreadful day. For that reason no one in Rabbinic Judaism took 1 Kings 2 in any way other than literal and offered different explanations for the letter discussed in 2 Chronicles 21:12.

It is a common and almost universal practice among Jews to set aside an "Elijah cup" on the Seder table at Passover to symbolize their faith in his return.

Many thought John the Baptist was Elijah who had returned though John himself denied it (John 1:21). Jesus told His disciples that, "And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come..." (Matthew 11:14)apparently contradicting John's own testimony of himself.

This is why I tend to lean toward the "Elisha wrote the letter in the name of Elijah" explanation, though I am not certain. The spirit of a prophet like Elijah can be had by another - like Elisha and John the Baptist. In fact, this phenomena was believed to exist with such certainty that Elisha sought it out carefully.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Many thought John the Baptist was Elijah who had returned though John himself denied it (John 1:21). Jesus told His disciples that, "And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come..." (Matthew 11:14)apparently contradicting John's own testimony of himself.

John the Baptist wasn't Elijah but he came in the spirit and power of Elijah or what we might call ...the same type of ministry as Elijah. A ministry to call people to repentance, to turn to God. Luke 1:17

This is why I tend to lean toward the "Elisha wrote the letter in the name of Elijah" explanation, though I am not certain. The spirit of a prophet like Elijah can be had by another - like Elisha and John the Baptist. In fact, this phenomena was believed to exist with such certainty that Elisha sought it out carefully.

Do we agree?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

John the Baptist wasn't Elijah but he came in the spirit and power of Elijah or what we might call ...the same type of ministry as Elijah. A ministry to call people to repentance, to turn to God. Luke 1:17

Do we agree?

Yes, but I have to admit that I'm not certain about my position on this one. It's just one of the many thing where I accept a bit of uncertainty as being part of life.

For example, I doubted Mizzie would ever agree with me on anything - I just learned to live with that uncertainty.

I guess the point of the thread though... do we accept the explanation that Elisha wrote the letter to Jehoram in the name of Elijah based upon such scant evidence as the "spirit of Elijah" working in another prophet like John?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by pelathais

For example, I doubted Mizzie would ever agree with me on anything - I just learned to live with that uncertainty.

I would agree with many that you are one of the most intelligent, gifted writers on this site.

I guess the point of the thread though... do we accept the explanation that Elisha wrote the letter to Jehoram in the name of Elijah based upon su7ch scant evidence as the "spirit of Elijah" working in another proiphet like John?

I looked up commentary on that verse about the "writing of Elijah" in 2 Chron 21:12 last night. It's up in the air for me but I think I will be able to sleep tonight with the uncertainty.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Where did all OT saints go? Thr grave

To the grave, until Jesus paid the price of sin and death. After which they are where Jesus' resurrected and physical body is, Jesus had a physical body after his death, and so shall all that die for that time forward.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by crakjak

To the grave, until Jesus paid the price of sin and death. After which they are where Jesus' resurrected and physical body is, Jesus had a physical body after his death, and so shall all that die for that time forward.

What about Elijah's journey? And possibly Moses' as well? Certainly Enoch. They appear to have taken a different route to that Promised Land than most folks would have gone.

And - for the sake of Timmy's questions - can you really get there by traveling upward through earth's atmosphere?