Cosmetics???

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Spritual people might also ask, since the use of cosmetics has existed since Old Testament times, why God never spoke against it anywhere in His bible.

And if they dont have a shred of scripture against it, (but have to resort to non-biblically-based arguments)...they might ask if maybe this stuff doesnt matter to God as much as it matters to some of us.

I will follow your posts over the next little while and see just how many times you might contradict your own words.

For the sake of perspective, I will share that my wife does not apply makeup.
For the sake of perspective, does yours?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by tbpew

I will follow your posts over the next little while and see just how many times you might contradict your own words.

That's ok with me. However...

If your response here is to follow my posts, looking to see if you can trip me up with my own words, it might lead one to wonder if you're you're resorting to this tactic because you realize your argument on this matter is not very strong.

Originally Posted by tbpew

For the sake of perspective, I will share that my wife does not apply makeup.
For the sake of perspective, does yours?

Frankly, I think that's not particularly relevant to the discussion, but to answer your question...

No she does not.


Blessings to you, my brother.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by coadie

Good point. The odor of sweat is more distinctive at the onset of puberty.

mmmmmm.... I work at a school. There are plenty of YOUNG kids who could mistaken for a stink bomb.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

That's ok with me. However...

If your response here is to follow my posts, looking to see if you can trip me up with my own words, it might lead one to wonder if you're you're resorting to this tactic because you realize your argument on this matter is not very strong.

Frankly, I think that's not particularly relevant to the discussion, but to answer your question...

No she does not.


Blessings to you, my brother.

Tripping you up does not have a lot of personal appeal and would be so fleeting, that it would certainly be vain.

I am just inclined to believe that everyone of us does exactly what your are now making some sort of defining corrective statement along the lines of "don't speak if the bible does not state that very thing! Something like ..."take Item 1 and connect it to location B".

We do it.
We are humans engaging discussion.
You have picked this thread to make it the definition of inappropriate.
My observations are only for the purposes of seeing how you maintain this lofty mantra through your every expression here in HappyTown AFF.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Spritual people might also ask, since the use of cosmetics has existed since Old Testament times, why God never spoke against it anywhere in His bible.

And if they dont have a shred of scripture against it, (but have to resort to non-biblically-based arguments)...they might ask if maybe this stuff doesnt matter to God as much as it matters to some of us.

God never spoke for cosmetics. All your arguments for Africans putting cow dung in their hair and Americans with their paint fetishes didn't come from the New Testament.

You can't argue this any better than smoking.
God never mentioned against smoking.

Pride

[coadie]

Originally Posted by tbpew

Tripping you up does not have a lot of personal appeal and would be so fleeting, that it would certainly be vain.

I am just inclined to believe that everyone of us does exactly what your are now making some sort of defining corrective statement along the lines of "don't speak if the bible does not state that very thing! Something like ..."take Item 1 and connect it to location B".

We do it.
We are humans engaging discussion.
You have picked this thread to make it the definition of inappropriate.
My observations are only for the purposes of seeing how you maintain this lofty mantra through your every expression here in HappyTown AFF.

2) Moderationists:
"The moderationist position is held by Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and Anglicans, and within Protestantism, it is accepted by most Lutherans and Reformed churches. Moderationism is also accepted by Jehovah's Witnesses.
Moderationism argues that, according to the biblical and traditional witness, (1) alcohol is a good gift of God that is rightly used in the Eucharist and for making the heart merry, and (2) while its dangers are real, it may be used wisely and moderately rather than being shunned or prohibited because of potential abuse. Moderationism holds that temperance (that is, moderation or self-control) in all of one's behavior, not abstinence, is the biblical norm."

The Catholics have debated this to death.

This is another form of legalism. They argue you can do anything if the bible doesn't expliciltey name the offense. Some things even if offensive they call out as not sinfull if done in moderation.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by tbpew

Tripping you up does not have a lot of personal appeal and would be so fleeting, that it would be certainly vain.

I am just inclined to believe that everyone of us does exactly what your are now making some sort of defining corrective statement along the lines of "don't speak if the bible does not state that very thing! Something like ..."take Item 1 and connect it to location B".

We do it.
We are humans engaging discussion.
You have picked this thread to make it the definition of inappropriate.
My observations are only for the purposes of seeing how you maintain this lofty mantra through your every expression here in HappyTown AFF.

Well, I think I see the angle you're coming from.

However, I dont particularly wish to keep this an ongoing issue spilling over onto other threads/discussions. Since you've chosen to throw in the towel on this particular topic here, that's fine. Lets keep it that way.


Just remember this conversation one day when you have someone giving you a hard time about something you do, or are okay with, even though they have no scripture for it. (Of course, there's always someone more hardline/conservative thatn you are, on some issue.)
Maybe you'll understand my point better when they acknowledge that they dont have any scripture to tell you that what you approve of is wrong... but they want to point to what they view as NT "principles" to turn their personal conviction into something that YOU shouldnt do.

[TRFrance]

(sigh)
I think too many saints major on the minors, and minor on the majors, preaching personal convictions as doctrine.


And that's part of the reason some of our churches have not made the steps forward they need to.

Lord, help your people.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

(sigh)
I think too many saints major on the minors, and minor on the majors, preaching personal convictions as doctrine.


And that's part of the reason some of our churches have not made the steps forward they need to.

Lord, help your people.

I will await your reading of the exact words witnessed in scripture concerning this new convenant and then marvel in how you find any specific counsel to share without doing exactly what you have determined is my error in this thread. And since they are exact words, they really will not need you reading them at all since they simply will say it all (raises the question if preacher's should limit speaking to only the unregenerated).

I appreciate you not wanting to have this spill over into thread after thread after thread, I suppose such consistency would be annoying.

I also appreciate you taking the time to post your opinions since afterall, that is really all any of us have on an internet forum.

[1992]

Interesting "discussion" going on here.

I once heard a preacher preach against makeup because he claimed makeup was intended to mimic what a woman looked like when she was in the throes of passion. Could have heard a pin drop as he described this.

As a wife and mother who is getting a little bit older, I have more compassion for women who feel the need to "help" themselves a little by using makeup. There are so many pressures out there to look good. Even from the pulpit. I've heard men preach against women looking frumpy. But, their awfully quick to condemn women using any actions that they deem as being too worldly. If I took everything I've ever heard preached and tried to abide by it, I'd be a mess - or wearing a burka. I think it really comes down to what a woman's own husband wants for her. I'm tired of trying to please Bro. so and so. Now I just ask my husband and leave it at that.