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Old 03-11-2009, 07:29 PM
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Re: 180 Degrees

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Don't tell me we don't have to do any works.
Some people do works because they are saved
not to get saved.
I think that is what the Apostle James was talking about
when he mentioned showing our faith by our works
and about a faith that was dead if it didn't result in works.

Some of us believe we get baptized in water because we have died to sin, have been buried with Christ and been risen with Him in new life and the water baptism is just the formal funeral of the old person.

Some of us believe we go on to receive the Holy Ghost Baptism to more effectively serve God.
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Old 03-12-2009, 10:52 AM
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I'm curious how many of you made an abrupt or drastic change to arrive at your current belief system.

For instance, I'm not talking about transitioning from non-believer to believer, but rather going from liberal to conservative or vica versa. If you did make a change from one extreme to the other, what was the reason? Was there some revelation or key event that led you in that new direction, or did it happen gradually?
I was born and raised a PK in the UPC.

I consider myself more a moderate than liberal, though the UPC would consider me liberal. I believe the same message: One God and what most here would call 3-stepper salvation. I don't believe salvation ends at receiving the HG or being baptized in Jesus Name ... it's a journey that will end only when we get to Heaven. I don't believe outward standards are as important as what's inside the heart and soul of each individual. I wear shorts, my wife wears pants during the week and trims her hair.

The change from my very conservative upraising to being a moderate has been slow and deliberate, with a lot of study, prayer and conversations with ministers, family and friends.

The quickest transformation was with organizations. I've grown frustrated and have left the UPC for a church that is independent and not beholden to any one organization; rather, we fellowship with all oneness churches. I find organizations to be outdated and not needed in this day and age. Too full of politics, corruption, pride and cumbersome.

It's best to have church decisions left to the church, not to some group of individuals hundreds of miles away who have no clue as to what we need or want to do.

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Old 03-12-2009, 05:47 PM
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I've related the details here before. Essentially, I objected when one preacher was killed to cover up the adultery of another.
Am I the only one who doesn't know about this?

KILLED?

No charges?
No trial?
No prison?

How can this be?

I understand if You don't want to answer, but You obviously care a great deal about this.
Is there no balm in Gilead?
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Old 03-12-2009, 10:04 PM
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Am I the only one who doesn't know about this?

KILLED?

No charges?
No trial?
No prison?

How can this be?

I understand if You don't want to answer, but You obviously care a great deal about this.
Is there no balm in Gilead?
I was going to ask the same thing but you beat me to it!
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Old 03-13-2009, 07:59 AM
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I wonder if he meant "killed" metaphorically? I have a hard time believing actual murder ocurred. I have seen charactder assasination happen though!
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Old 03-13-2009, 08:27 AM
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Re: 180 Degrees

I made a 180 degree turn...
I will let you guess in what...
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Old 03-13-2009, 08:37 AM
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I wonder if he meant "killed" metaphorically? I have a hard time believing actual murder ocurred. I have seen charactder assasination happen though!
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I asked the widow's pastor how she and her kids were doing last year. He choked back tears and caught his breath several times while talking to me. After "all these years," (12) he has never "gotten over it."

The widow is still widowed. Unless someone here can bring back the dead she will never get over that. Her children are still fatherless. Unless someone here can bring back the dead, they will never get over it.
Doesn't seem it was written as a metaphor.
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Old 03-13-2009, 08:53 AM
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Re: 180 Degrees

sad so very sad...
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Old 03-13-2009, 08:57 AM
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I made a 180 degree turn...
I will let you guess in what...
a chevy? :-)
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Old 03-13-2009, 09:22 AM
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I wonder if he meant "killed" metaphorically? I have a hard time believing actual murder ocurred. I have seen charactder assasination happen though!
He was at a funeral.....
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