He Was More than Just a Man - Page 2

Raven · #11 03-13-2009, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Nice Strawman. Just because we admit to the scriptures that speak of His Deity does NOT mean we shy from the truth of those scriptures you posted. There is no extra biblical revelation either.

I knew this post would draw a response from you Prax.

I agree with your statement but I have family and several friends [ some officials ] who say, "Oh, it's a revelation!" The only "revelation" I can find is the one that Jesus declares to Peter in Matthew 16:17.
I've been connected to these people for 60+ years and have seen those who were uncomfortable with Matthew 28:19 as well as the terms "Father" and "Son". Jesus is the Son of God and I see no reason to try to "clarify" it or explain it away! Now, I'm not saying you are guilty of this but I do know those who are guilty.
Raven

Michael The Disciple · #12 03-13-2009, 07:35 AM

Jesus is both the Father and the Son.

6: For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

That is the doctrine of Christ which we must believe.

If Jesus is the Son he of necessity also the Mighty God-Everlasting Father.

Apostolic people should rejoice over this and not be insecure.

As to the doctrine of sinless perfection every single New Testament Church should be teaching it.

Sam · #13 03-13-2009, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Jesus is both the Father and the Son.

6: For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

That is the doctrine of Christ which we must believe.

If Jesus is the Son he of necessity also the Mighty God-Everlasting Father.

Apostolic people should rejoice over this and not be insecure.
...

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
1 John 5:20

Nina · #14 03-13-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven

Luke 1:35
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

John 10:36
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God ?

Matt 16:16-17
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Let's just simply let the Scripture speak for itself. Jesus is without a doubt, the Son of God! Some seem to shy away from this truth. Others want to say, "Oh I know it says that but we really know he is ........" [Whatever it is they are trying to prove]
Jesus told Peter, that the revelation is that, he indeed is the Son of God!
I'm afraid we "oneness" believers are close to being like the Mormons and JW's with extra-Biblical "revelations" we conjured up somewhere. This post won't go over well with some but that's alright the Truth will "dawn" eventually on them. To glibly pass over the truth that there is a Father and there is a Son in the Word, is to miss the glorious truth that God wants to perform in us as sons of God. This is what this Grand Plan of God is all about.
Raven

Brother,

She would agree with every Scripture You've cited.
She would also say that they don't prove He is God.
Only that He is the 'Son of God.'

Thank You for the time You've taken to add to the conversation.

Nina

Nina · #15 03-13-2009, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TJJJ

Don't mistake the flesh for the diety.

TJJJ

Brother,

Can You be a Christian if You make this mistake?

If not, why not?

Thank You for Your input.
I need help.

Nina

Nina · #16 03-13-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

[B]J

As to the doctrine of sinless perfection every single New Testament Church should be teaching it.

Could You explain it in a nutshell?

And can it be attained if You believe Jesus is just a man anointed by God?

Thank You,
Nina

Praxeas · #17 03-13-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Nina

Brother,

She would agree with every Scripture You've cited.
She would also say that they don't prove He is God.
Only that He is the 'Son of God.'

Thank You for the time You've taken to add to the conversation.

Nina

Ask her what does being the Son of God mean and then what does being the Son of Man mean?

Nina · #18 03-13-2009, 10:22 PM

Thanks Prax, I will.

Nina

Raven · #19 03-13-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Nina

Brother,

She would agree with every Scripture You've cited.
She would also say that they don't prove He is God.
Only that He is the 'Son of God.'

Thank You for the time You've taken to add to the conversation.

Nina

If we can only find scripture declaring him [Jesus] to be the Son of God then that is what we have to accept and believe that he is. I'm sure someone will come up with a scripture you might use. But scripture is very emphatic as to what he is "called": The Son of God.

Raven

Nina · #20 03-13-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven

If we can only find scripture declaring him [Jesus] to be the Son of God then that is what we have to accept and believe that he is. I'm sure someone will come up with a scripture you might use. But scripture is very emphatic as to what he is "called": The Son of God.

Raven

Are you saying that You can be saved if You don't believe that Jesus is God?

Nina