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03-13-2009, 08:50 PM
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Re: Old Time Pentecostal Holiness Standards
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What does using dice when playing monopoly or sorry have to do with gambling? What does playing hearts or rummey have to do with gambling? They have as much to do with gambling as owning or riding horses has to do with horse racing. If you are serious about your standards you will want to be consistent.
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So I take it that you are just pushing a point, not that you really believe that it is wrong!
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03-13-2009, 08:59 PM
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Re: Old Time Pentecostal Holiness Standards
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So I take it that you are just pushing a point, not that you really believe that it is wrong!
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I was raised in a very conservative UPC church and that was some of the lack of consistency and logic in standards I noticed as a child.
Here's some more food for thought. If we can't dye our hair because it is "changing" something natural God gave us then why are we allowed to wear deoderant to change the smell God gave us? Are we questioning God?
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-13-2009, 09:07 PM
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Re: Old Time Pentecostal Holiness Standards
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Owning or riding horses is wrong. If Pentecostals can't use dice in board games or play with playing cards because people gamble with them then they certainly cannot have anything to do with horses as gambling on horse races is big time gambling.
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Is it okay if we own a really sloooooooow horse??????
What about miniature horses? Small sin?
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Originally Posted by CC1
I was raised in a very conservative UPC church and that was some of the lack of consistency and logic in standards I noticed as a child.
Here's some more food for thought. If we can't dye our hair because it is "changing" something natural God gave us then why are we allowed to wear deoderant to change the smell God gave us? Are we questioning God?
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And Hot Sticks, hot rollers. Making straight hair curly.
(sounds like your 'kid' brain and my 'kid' brain would have had some interesting discussions. My brain was always pondering these inconsistencies, too)
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03-13-2009, 10:09 PM
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Re: Old Time Pentecostal Holiness Standards
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I was raised in a very conservative UPC church and that was some of the lack of consistency and logic in standards I noticed as a child.
Here's some more food for thought. If we can't dye our hair because it is "changing" something natural God gave us then why are we allowed to wear deoderant to change the smell God gave us? Are we questioning God?
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Hey I spent my teens in a very conservative church as well and could never reconcile all the "reasons" against make-up while seeing these same "reasons" thrown out the window when I saw all the ladies at camp use a whole can of hairspray for a single service.
I believe UPC camps are single handily responsible for the ozone hole above the Arctic circle during the 80's!
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03-13-2009, 11:22 PM
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Re: Old Time Pentecostal Holiness Standards
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You joking, CC1, or serious?
What does riding horses have to do with gambling? The bay mare I have is now used for a pleasure horse. Riding a horse for pleasure is no different than fishing for pleasure or riding a bike for pleasure.
Now, are you really serious or joking?
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PLEASURE??????????
I did not think we were allowed to have any pleasure in life either? I am shocked!!!!!!
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03-14-2009, 12:09 AM
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Re: Old Time Pentecostal Holiness Standards
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Hey I spent my teens in a very conservative church as well and could never reconcile all the "reasons" against make-up while seeing these same "reasons" thrown out the window when I saw all the ladies at camp use a whole can of hairspray for a single service.
I believe UPC camps are single handily responsible for the ozone hole above the Arctic circle during the 80's!
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Hey, in the 70's the guys were using it too!!
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03-14-2009, 09:17 AM
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Re: Old Time Pentecostal Holiness Standards
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I was raised in a very conservative UPC church and that was some of the lack of consistency and logic in standards I noticed as a child.
Here's some more food for thought. If we can't dye our hair because it is "changing" something natural God gave us then why are we allowed to wear deoderant to change the smell God gave us? Are we questioning God?
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I had always heard that the reason for the difference in the hair issue vs something like deoderant, was that anything to do with w woman's hair was messing with her "glory". Don't know if underarm deoderant would be messing with her hair/glory, unless she was from Europe!
I do agree that there was and is a lot of inconsistencies in the conservative ranks of Pentecost.
One I personally always laughed at was the white shirt vs "colored" shirt on men issue! The cons would say "No colored shirts"! The question begged to be asked, "When did white quit being a color?" That is just my pet peeve!
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03-14-2009, 10:35 PM
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Re: Old Time Pentecostal Holiness Standards
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PLEASURE??????????
I did not think we were allowed to have any pleasure in life either? I am shocked!!!!!!
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A Puritan woman mentioned to someone that at her home she ate dinner sitting in her husbands lap. When the shocked person asked why the Puritan stated "Because we only have one chair. Two chairs would be an extravagence!"
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-14-2009, 10:39 PM
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Re: Old Time Pentecostal Holiness Standards
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A Puritan woman mentioned to someone that at her home she ate dinner sitting in her husbands lap. When the shocked person asked why the Puritan stated "Because we only have one chair. Two charis would be an extravagence!"
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I see images of the "Smiling Bob" commercials where he is dressed as Santa and all the office women are waiting in line to sit in his lap.
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03-15-2009, 01:00 AM
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Re: Old Time Pentecostal Holiness Standards
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A Puritan woman mentioned to someone that at her home she ate dinner sitting in her husbands lap. When the shocked person asked why the Puritan stated "Because we only have one chair. Two chairs would be an extravagence!"
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HMMMMMM wonder how my wife would feel if I got rid of all but one chair?
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I see images of the "Smiling Bob" commercials where he is dressed as Santa and all the office women are waiting in line to sit in his lap.
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I know you did not just go there. 
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