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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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I've seen a few websites with pictures of smiling women wearing pants...it's also made me laugh as to wonder why churches do this.
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They probably farmed out their website development to some designer who either wasn't "in the know" and used the free stock photos that are available, or a designer who was "in the know" and decided to have some fun by pretending otherwise. 
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03-16-2009, 06:15 PM
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
Edwardo Anglican,
You don't sound like a man worried anymore about your associates dropping you in the grease and costing you your license with the Mothership!
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-16-2009, 06:15 PM
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Tired of it.
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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People end up feeling betrayed by their friends and "brethren." After bonding they end up being bitterly disposed of if they don't go along.
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Reminds me of Amway... 
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03-16-2009, 06:16 PM
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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If only it had said "perfect dress codes"!
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Hey, no problem, dress like a harlot, God don't care, in fact he is everybody's big buddy! 
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03-16-2009, 06:16 PM
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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reminds me of amway... |
roflmbo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-16-2009, 06:22 PM
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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Edwardo Anglican,
You don't sound like a man worried anymore about your associates dropping you in the grease and costing you your license with the Mothership!
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I am not worried about it.
1. I have not "bashed" anyone.
2. I have not spoken against any published positions.
3. They probably think I am a lost cause.
Look, I love the mothership. I just think we should be up front.
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03-16-2009, 06:25 PM
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>>Primitive Pentecostal<<
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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Hey, no problem, dress like a harlot, God don't care, in fact he is everybody's big buddy! |
There ya go.
Again, if my salvation depends upon adherance to a dress code, you have an obligation to tell me so.
Don't wait a few months.
What if I die before you tell me I need to shave to be saved?
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03-16-2009, 06:27 PM
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>>Primitive Pentecostal<<
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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Originally Posted by pelathais
In many cases, yes. I think EA has pointed out a real problem that gives Pentecostal/Apostolics a black eye all too often.
People end up feeling betrayed by their friends and "brethren." After bonding they end up being bitterly disposed of if they don't go along. Their "failure to mature" is then attributed to some fault or flaw with their carnal nature.
They end up being told that they are "pig's filth" and "dog vomit" for failing to go along with a set of crazily and haphazardly concocted "holiness standards" that vary even from church to church in the same town.
I ended up wondering if it wouldn't be better if we didn't ecompass land and sea to make a complete stranger twice the child of hell that we are. Then, I found a new and better way.
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I used to get really mad at people who cornered the new folk about their "look."
Not any longer.
At least they are being truthful.
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03-16-2009, 06:28 PM
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
Ed, How does the Bible define holiness? Is it a separation unto God from something? from sin? from the world? from the customs of the world?
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03-16-2009, 06:39 PM
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Re: Bait and Switch: Pentecostal Deception?
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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin
There ya go.
Again, if my salvation depends upon adherance to a dress code, you have an obligation to tell me so.
Don't wait a few months.
What if I die before you tell me I need to shave to be saved?
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EA are you trying to make the point that "standards" (what are called holiness standards, but are not) are NOT and NEVER WILL BE salvational issues??
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13 You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. 14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other. Galatians 5:13-15 (NIV)
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