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Re: Unique Baptismal Service
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I now baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost by the name and authority of our Lord Jesus Christ.
The only slight problem I see with it is that NO ONE WAS EVER BAPTIZED LIKE THAT IN THE BIBLE.  It is unique, though. |
In every Apostolic church I ever attended, those being baptized were always placed under the water as the minister, "I now baptize you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ." Always The Lord Jesus Christ. Never The name of the Lord Jesus or in the Name of Jesus Christ.
Maybe some of you have seen it done differently, but that's my experience.
But at one point in my life, I searched long and hard to find anywhere in the Scripture where anyone was ever baptized in the full name - the Lord Jesus Christ. It wasn't there.
In Acts 8:16 they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
In Acts 10;48 they were baptized in the name of the Lord.
In Acts 19:5 they're again being baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
and finally in Acts 22:16, they were baptized calling upon the name of the Lord.
So again, I am NOT saying that being baptized in Jesus' name is wrong! Far from it! What I am saying is that to use the argument, "The only slight problem I see with it is that NO ONE WAS EVER BAPTIZED LIKE THAT IN THE BIBLE" is that no one was ever baptized in the exact formula that we use in Apostolic churches today either. That's the reason I have a hard time finding fault with a formula like the one used where Rhoni went last Sunday. But that's just me. And I'm not God. (a fact for which I am eternally grateful  )
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03-16-2009, 04:45 PM
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Re: Unique Baptismal Service
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You will notice though in each recorded baptism in the bible the wording was different.
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I knew you were gonna say that. :-)
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Re: Unique Baptismal Service
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Originally Posted by Margies3
In every Apostolic church I ever attended, those being baptized were always placed under the water as the minister, "I now baptize you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ." Always The Lord Jesus Christ. Never The name of the Lord Jesus or in the Name of Jesus Christ.
Maybe some of you have seen it done differently, but that's my experience.
But at one point in my life, I searched long and hard to find anywhere in the Scripture where anyone was ever baptized in the full name - the Lord Jesus Christ. It wasn't there.
In Acts 8:16 they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
In Acts 10;48 they were baptized in the name of the Lord.
In Acts 19:5 they're again being baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
and finally in Acts 22:16, they were baptized calling upon the name of the Lord.
So again, I am NOT saying that being baptized in Jesus' name is wrong! Far from it! What I am saying is that to use the argument, "The only slight problem I see with it is that NO ONE WAS EVER BAPTIZED LIKE THAT IN THE BIBLE" is that no one was ever baptized in the exact formula that we use in Apostolic churches today either. That's the reason I have a hard time finding fault with a formula like the one used where Rhoni went last Sunday. But that's just me. And I'm not God. (a fact for which I am eternally grateful ) |
And our church has always baptized "in the name of Jesus Christ". 
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03-16-2009, 06:46 PM
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Re: Unique Baptismal Service
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And our church has always baptized "in the name of Jesus Christ". |
Please don't think I am finding fault. But that particular formula is never used exactly like that in the New Testament. Which proves my point. Thanks 
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03-16-2009, 06:55 PM
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Re: Unique Baptismal Service
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You will notice though in each recorded baptism in the bible the wording was different.
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actually we don't have any actual quote of the words spoken by someone when they baptized.
We have a quote by Peter when he healed someone in Jesus' name in Acts 3:6 where he said, "...in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk"
We have a quote by Paul when he evicted a spirit from someone in Jesus' name in Acts 16:18 when he said, "I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her"
but, we have no such quotation by anyone doing baptism in Jesus' name.
We assume they spoke the name of Jesus in baptizing like they did in healing or exorcisms but we don't have a direct quote.
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Re: Unique Baptismal Service
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Originally Posted by Margies3
In every Apostolic church I ever attended, those being baptized were always placed under the water as the minister, "I now baptize you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ." Always The Lord Jesus Christ. Never The name of the Lord Jesus or in the Name of Jesus Christ.
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When someone quotes Matthew 28:19, "... in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost," we quickly say, "What is THAT NAME?"
When I hear someone refer to "the name of the Lord Jesus Christ," I want to ask, "What is THAT NAME?"
In each case we emphasize the word NAME is singular. The words, "Father, Son, Holy Ghost" are not a singular name. By the same token, the three words "Lord, Jesus, Christ" are not a singular name.
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03-16-2009, 08:02 PM
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Re: Unique Baptismal Service
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Please don't think I am finding fault. But that particular formula is never used exactly like that in the New Testament. Which proves my point. Thanks |
Oh, I didn't think you were finding fault!
Just pointing out another difference. Another way OP's are sometimes different in the wording of their baptismal formulas.
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03-16-2009, 08:18 PM
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Re: Unique Baptismal Service
I have read on one of these forums that a UPC church in NE Ohio had a sign in the room where folks got ready to baptize and to be baptized. The sign instructed the person doing the baptizing to say, "In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
I have not been there and did not see it for myself so I do not know if that is accurate or not. I'm passing it on as "hearsay."
I also was told by a UPC minister from Louisiana many years ago that a large UPC church in a certain city used this as a baptismal forumula, "In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." The minister who told me that was not from that particular city. I don't know if he had ever been there during a baptismal service and personally heard those words spoken. So this is also "hearsay." That pastor later left the UPC.
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Re: Unique Baptismal Service
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Originally Posted by Margies3
In every Apostolic church I ever attended, those being baptized were always placed under the water as the minister, "I now baptize you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ." Always The Lord Jesus Christ. Never The name of the Lord Jesus or in the Name of Jesus Christ.
Maybe some of you have seen it done differently, but that's my experience.
But at one point in my life, I searched long and hard to find anywhere in the Scripture where anyone was ever baptized in the full name - the Lord Jesus Christ. It wasn't there.
In Acts 8:16 they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
In Acts 10;48 they were baptized in the name of the Lord.
In Acts 19:5 they're again being baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
and finally in Acts 22:16, they were baptized calling upon the name of the Lord.
So again, I am NOT saying that being baptized in Jesus' name is wrong! Far from it! What I am saying is that to use the argument, "The only slight problem I see with it is that NO ONE WAS EVER BAPTIZED LIKE THAT IN THE BIBLE" is that no one was ever baptized in the exact formula that we use in Apostolic churches today either. That's the reason I have a hard time finding fault with a formula like the one used where Rhoni went last Sunday. But that's just me. And I'm not God. (a fact for which I am eternally grateful ) |
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Originally Posted by Margies3
Please don't think I am finding fault. But that particular formula is never used exactly like that in the New Testament. Which proves my point. Thanks |
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Originally Posted by Sam
actually we don't have any actual quote of the words spoken by someone when they baptized.
We have a quote by Peter when he healed someone in Jesus' name in Acts 3:6 where he said, "...in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk"
We have a quote by Paul when he evicted a spirit from someone in Jesus' name in Acts 16:18 when he said, "I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her"
but, we have no such quotation by anyone doing baptism in Jesus' name.
We assume they spoke the name of Jesus in baptizing like they did in healing or exorcisms but we don't have a direct quote. |
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Originally Posted by Sam
I have read on one of these forums that a UPC church in NE Ohio had a sign in the room where folks got ready to baptize and to be baptized. The sign instructed the person doing the baptizing to say, "In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
I have not been there and did not see it for myself so I do not know if that is accurate or not. I'm passing it on as "hearsay."
I also was told by a UPC minister from Louisiana many years ago that a large UPC church in a certain city used this as a baptismal forumula, "In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." The minister who told me that was not from that particular city. I don't know if he had ever been there during a baptismal service and personally heard those words spoken. So this is also "hearsay." That pastor later left the UPC.
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I think that the act of baptism is the point and doing everything we do in the name and by the authroity given to that name...Jesus. It is extreme legalism to think that the exact wording is what is important as everywhere they were baptized in the New Testament a different formula was used.
BTW - How was Jesus baptized? He was our example...what words did John the Baptist use? Maybe the wording was omitted for a reason? Just a thought.
Blessings, Rhoni
P.S. Great contributions everyone. I love it when we can discuss these thigns and not be harsh or aggressive, but reason together in love!
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