Isn't it more about what is in the heart of the believer than what's on the lips of the preacher?
Maybe the preacher really goofed but in the heart of the believer they understand that they are being baptized into that "name" or "authority".... would they be lost forever b/c the preacher couldn't get his "by" and "in" put in the right place in the sentence???? Is this the kind of God we serve?
I don't remember exactly what the words spoken over me were but it was something like "in the name of Jesus ...." something or other.
I sure hope and pray He doesn't send me packing on a technicallity (sp?)...
Do we really believe that it is THAT specific? Are we just "splitting hairs" so to speak?
If that's true, how many well intentioned repentant, HG filled believers will be doomed to eternity in Hell?
I really think we miss the forest for the trees way too often...
Without getting into the specifics here, let me just say that "sending someone packing on a technicality" would not be Biblically unprecedented...particularly in matters of obeying direct commands or directions.
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I don't remember exactly what the words spoken over me were but it was something like "in the name of Jesus ...." something or other.
I sure hope and pray He doesn't send me packing on a technicallity (sp?)...
Do we really believe that it is THAT specific? Are we just "splitting hairs" so to speak?
If that's true, how many well intentioned repentant, HG filled believers will be doomed to eternity in Hell?
I really think we miss the forest for the trees way too often...
There are some oneness folks who believe if the baptizer says, "in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ" he may as well say "in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost" because three words are mentioned.
Some oneness folks think that the name of the Father is Lord, the name of the Son is Jesus and the name of the Holy Ghost is Christ so all three names have to be spoken to honor all three of them.
Some think anything more than the single name "Jesus" is wrong. Some think it has to be "Yeshua" or "Yasha" or "Yeshu" or "Yehoshua" or it is not valid. Some think that the "name" has to be spoken when you you completely submerged. Some think that if a foot, finger, or any part of the anatomy is not completely submerged it is not valid. etc. etc. etc.
We can get so trivial and so legalistic over a religious ritual.
Without getting into the specifics here, let me just say that "sending someone packing on a technicality" would not be Biblically unprecedented...particularly in matters of obeying direct commands or directions.
Please get into specifics... If this is TRULY something I could be lost in eternity forever over... Please get into specifics.... I would hate to think that I have been wrong all this time and then my kids possibly have been wrong and me be responsible for their "wrongness"....
"In matters of obeying direct commands or directions" Can you give specific scripture commanding or directing us EXACTLY how we are supposed to be baptized?
I (for the record) believe that baptism is a command and should without question be obeyed. I believe that is should be in the name of Jesus. But I believe it stems from what the person being baptized understands and believes in their heart... NOT the words spoken over them.
Please get into specifics... If this is TRULY something I could be lost in eternity forever over... Please get into specifics.... I would hate to think that I have been wrong all this time and then my kids possibly have been wrong and me be responsible for their "wrongness"....
"In matters of obeying direct commands or directions" Can you give specific scripture commanding or directing us EXACTLY how we are supposed to be baptized?
I (for the record) believe that baptism is a command and should without question be obeyed. I believe that is should be in the name of Jesus. But I believe it stems from what the person being baptized understands and believes in their heart... NOT the words spoken over them.
just my thoughts...
My comment was directed at the notion that surely "technicalities" can't be all that important. It is my opinion in reading the Bible and specifically commandments from God, it is very dangerous to try to determine what is technicality. If obedience is better than sacrifice and if there are sobering examples in the Bible of people doing "pretty much" what was demanded but fudging on the "technicalities, we have to be careful with the "I believe"s.
I just don't have the wherewithal to get into a heavy baptism discussion at this time, so I was just addressing this notion.
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There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Chuck Norris lives in Houston.
Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
My comment was directed at the notion that surely "technicalities" can't be all that important. It is my opinion in reading the Bible and specifically commandments from God, it is very dangerous to try to determine what is technicality. If obedience is better than sacrifice and if there are sobering examples in the Bible of people doing "pretty much" what was demanded but fudging on the "technicalities, we have to be careful with the "I believe"s.
I just don't have the wherewithal to get into a heavy baptism discussion at this time, so I was just addressing this notion.
I understand what you are saying and I do make efforts to base my "I believe's" on a scriptural foundation. However in relation to this particular subject I see these different "wordings" as technicalities - nothing more. I could be wrong - I am always open to learning.
I understand what you are saying and I do make efforts to base my "I believe's" on a scriptural foundation. However in relation to this particular subject I see these different "wordings" as technicalities - nothing more. I could be wrong - I am always open to learning.
In a nutshell, I am hesitant to be too flippant about it because:
a. the fact that the commands specifically require a name
b. we are also told without any equivocation that there is no other name whereby we must be saved. To me there is a clear connection between Salvation and one Name.
Of course, there is plenty more about baptism to be said, but I'm just too tied up right now to get into a big discussion. I just think we have to be careful in determining what is technicality and what is meant to be completely obeyed.
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There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Chuck Norris lives in Houston.
Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
They were baptized in the name of the father, son, and
Holy Ghost (the name is absent), then they concluded the baptism by stating "by the name and authority of Jesus."
They were baptized into an absent name, by the authority of Jesus.
Example: I pronounce you, Rhoni, married, to your long life friend, by the authority of the State of California.
In the above example, I never mentioned your husband's name to officiate the wedding. Thus, your freinds were baptized by the authority of Jesus, but never in His name!
Considering I was baptised Inthe Name of The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit was I baptised by the authority of the Baptist Preacher who baptised me?
Considering I was baptised Inthe Name of The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit was I baptised by the authority of the Baptist Preacher who baptised me?
Were you baptized into the titles or the name of Jesus?
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