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03-25-2009, 07:40 AM
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Re: Why would a Pastor do this to me ?
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FYI: I have only been a member of two churches. The first one from childhood until I married. The second one until I was asked to leave.
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Maybe the pastor is a crazy control freak.
If he is, then you are blessed to have gotten thrown overboard first.
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Re: Why would a Pastor do this to me ?
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Thank you for your words. I agree bitterness is a bad thing. However according to God's word, it is the love of money that is the root of all evil. 1 Timothy 6:10.
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Yep, there are many roots to evil. 
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03-25-2009, 07:45 AM
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Re: Why would a Pastor do this to me ?
It seems to me that there is probably two sides to this story.
Pro 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
I personally would withhold judgment until we could hear the other side. No offense, but I have been in ministry long enough to know that things always have two sides to the story.
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03-25-2009, 07:51 AM
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Re: Why would a Pastor do this to me ?
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It seems to me that there is probably two sides to this story.
Pro 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
I personally would withhold judgment until we could hear the other side. No offense, but I have been in ministry long enough to know that things always have two sides to the story. |
It's more fun if you hear just one side.
I'm sure that there is complete disclosure in the, "I got sick and was in pain, and the pastor kicked me out to the curb," story.
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". . . as I suspect was true for those teaching Scriptures, I found that my students often felt they knew the Constitution without having really read it. They were accustomed to picking out phrases that they'd heard and using them to bolster their immediate arguments, or ignoring passages that seemed to contradict their views." Barack Obama in "The Audacity of Hope"
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03-25-2009, 07:53 AM
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Re: Why would a Pastor do this to me ?
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It seems to me that there is probably two sides to this story.
Pro 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
I personally would withhold judgment until we could hear the other side. No offense, but I have been in ministry long enough to know that things always have two sides to the story. |
Exactly. If we knew all we might still believe this pastor was wrong but I believe there is a lot more to this story than was shared.
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03-25-2009, 08:00 AM
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Re: Why would a Pastor do this to me ?
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It seems to me that there is probably two sides to this story.
Pro 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
I personally would withhold judgment until we could hear the other side. No offense, but I have been in ministry long enough to know that things always have two sides to the story. |
Exactly!
There is no way I would leave a church without asking "why" I was asked to leave.
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03-25-2009, 08:07 AM
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Re: Why would a Pastor do this to me ?
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Doesn't make it untrue, but I just remember seeing the exact same scenario posted or had heard about a similar story.
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I shared a similar experience where the pastor had asked me to actually get up and leave the sanctuary as soon as he started preaching on Sunday AM. He was being broadcast live on radio and wanted me by the church phones,
After only about 2 months (4 Sundays!) he came to me angrily shouting... "Why do you leave the sanctuary as soon as I start preaching? Is that a coincidence?"
Even after explaining and reminding him of his own instructions to me he was still angry and unwilling to acknowledge that he had been angry with me without a cause.
I completely empathize with Sinatra's dilemma.
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03-25-2009, 08:13 AM
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Re: Why would a Pastor do this to me ?
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It seems to me that there is probably two sides to this story.
Pro 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
I personally would withhold judgment until we could hear the other side. No offense, but I have been in ministry long enough to know that things always have two sides to the story. |
And that is a wise way of approaching these issues, oft times. However, from my own experience I have seen innumerable examples of pastors lashing out blindly at the people around them.
When I was a teen I once attended an apostolic church (briefly) where I was the only saint. Just me and the pastor and his wife and their kids. The pastor would get up and preach every Sunday just like I was a congregation of 1,000. He used to throw in stuff about "people in the church..." and how he could "tell what people in the church were thinking..."
I was thinking about throwing myself off of a cliff right about then, but he took it as some sort of "rebellion" and "disrespect" toward his ministry.
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03-25-2009, 08:17 AM
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Re: Why would a Pastor do this to me ?
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I shared a similar experience where the pastor had asked me to actually get up and leave the sanctuary as soon as he started preaching on Sunday AM. He was being broadcast live on radio and wanted me by the church phones,
After only about 2 months (4 Sundays!) he came to me angrily shouting... "Why do you leave the sanctuary as soon as I start preaching? Is that a coincidence?"
Even after explaining and reminding him of his own instructions to me he was still angry and unwilling to acknowledge that he had been angry with me without a cause.
I completely empathize with Sinatra's dilemma.
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ROFL!!! This is a great post. Did he ever calm down and admit he was wrong? I have noticed that many times the traits that give Pastors the perseverence and doggedness to carry on in hardship and stress also makes it hard for them to admit when they are wrong and to apologize.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-25-2009, 08:21 AM
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Re: Why would a Pastor do this to me ?
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And that is a wise way of approaching these issues, oft times. However, from my own experience I have seen innumerable examples of pastors lashing out blindly at the people around them.
When I was a teen I once attended an apostolic church (briefly) where I was the only saint. Just me and the pastor and his wife and their kids. The pastor would get up and preach every Sunday just like I was a congregation of 1,000. He used to throw in stuff about "people in the church..." and how he could "tell what people in the church were thinking..."
I was thinking about throwing myself off of a cliff right about then, but he took it as some sort of "rebellion" and "disrespect" toward his ministry.
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I understand and agree that it does happen. But I see that the posts were a little lopsided in their support here and played the "preacher's" advocate for a time.
We understand that there are bad preachers as well as bad saints. And preachers make mistakes! But sorry... we still only have one side of the story.
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