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Old 03-26-2009, 09:11 AM
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Re: Why would a saint do this to me?

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The people that gave us the most trouble had been in the church 30 years. Them and a previous pastor and a preacher that was about 70.
Typical on the former, sad for the latter. Again, very rarely do new saints give trouble, they haven't learned how. Sorry from the ministry point of view.
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Old 03-26-2009, 09:31 AM
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And then, before that, I have helped people with their taxes, helped them fix their cars, just to have them run me and my family into the ground!

Why, what have I done to deserve that?

We preach to them about salvation, pray for them in the Hospital, dedicate their children, yet they just wanted to hurt us!

I am almost ready to give it up.....


I.......I........I........and more I........


I was beginning to have the same mentality at once when I really found out it wasn't about "I"!
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Old 03-26-2009, 09:52 AM
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I.......I........I........and more I........


I was beginning to have the same mentality at once when I really found out it wasn't about "I"!
WE understand, of course, this thread was started to give the other side of the view for the "Pastor done me wrong" thread? The context of the thread was satire. We are sorry that we used the letter "I", ( We was speaking from personal experience), but that was not the intent of the thread. We did notice that you used the same terminology in your response.
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Old 03-26-2009, 10:43 AM
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Re: Why would a saint do this to me?

Unfortunately, I have seen both sides of abuse by saints and abuse by pastors. My father was a pastor, so I witnessed many folks taking advantage of his generosity only to throw it in his face when he couldn't continue.

Some people are attention hogs and just don't comprehend the sacrifices others make to TRY to make them happy!

But....an abusive pastor is a leader, and he can control what he does to get many of the responses that he gets. There's nothing more tragic than a pastor on a power trip!

The stuff a pastor can't control, he should have thick skin and try to not let abusive saints bother him. Saint abuse comes with the territory.

Pastoral abuse shouldn't come with the territory of being a good saint in a church.
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Old 03-26-2009, 10:53 AM
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Re: Why would a saint do this to me?

I still blame the UPC
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Old 03-26-2009, 10:57 AM
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Unfortunately, I have seen both sides of abuse by saints and abuse by pastors. My father was a pastor, so I witnessed many folks taking advantage of his generosity only to throw it in his face when he couldn't continue.

Some people are attention hogs and just don't comprehend the sacrifices others make to TRY to make them happy!

But....an abusive pastor is a leader, and he can control what he does to get many of the responses that he gets. There's nothing more tragic than a pastor on a power trip!

The stuff a pastor can't control, he should have thick skin and try to not let abusive saints bother him. Saint abuse comes with the territory.

Pastoral abuse shouldn't come with the territory of being a good saint in a church.
We ALL should submit one to another, be kind, walk in fervent charity, and in the fear of God.

If we love one another, we will fullfill the law of God and there would be no abuse. Pride and selfishness are destructive to a healthy church.

Something is wrong in the body of Christ when peaceableness and love are not the primary things motives of our words and deeds.
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Old 03-26-2009, 10:59 AM
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I still blame the UPC
Now how did you know that?

Gift of discernment?
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Old 03-26-2009, 12:19 PM
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Re: Why would a saint do this to me?

My advice is keep on keeping on for The Lord,dealing with people will get us all burned and hurt at some point,but it's all in it,the final destination is what counts.
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Re: Why would a saint do this to me?

A healthy pastor will attract healthy saints.
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Old 03-26-2009, 01:35 PM
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A healthy pastor will attract healthy saints.
Hmmmm....I don't know. Both Pastor Hardwick and Pastor Dan Scott are pretty healthy and I am obese and a couch potato. Yet I am attracted to their church. Hmmmm.......
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.

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