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Old 03-26-2009, 12:21 PM
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Re: You Be The Judge: Anderson Vs Burk

TKB's only replies included an informal logical fallacy and the second was nothing more than copy and paste Red Herring. If TKB understood the rules he would also understand that his reply was invalid and my questions were DIRECTLY relevant to the Christ of Scripture and the pseudo-Christ of FP. TKB, this is laughable. There are questions on this very thread that you have IGNORED and have not answered. You realize their import however and keep repeating.

I don't feel like debating someone who is not genuinely interested in the content of the debate.

Here are those questions again. Explain to us how they are not RELEVANT.

Is there a difference in a Christ that has already come and one that has not?
Is there a difference between a Christ who came spiritually and one who came physically?
Is there even a difference between a God who pours His wrath only on Jerusalem and one who pours it out upon the world?

Please answer those questions directly and concisely as possible.

Here is another difference. To most Futurists the apocalyptic events of Armageddon, preceding the glorious Day of The Lord, the Millennium, during which the returned Christ will rule. In AFP however we find fulfillment of all these things in the judgment of Jerusalem in 70 AD. These CHRISTO-CENTRIC events have DIFFERENT meanings and outcomes. Is the Christ who came in 70 AD the same that Futurists look for in the future?

Another reason that AFP teaches a different Christ is our partaking of the Body and Blood of Christ. Believer partake of communion (the bread and the wine) today or at least until He comes (1 Corinthians 11:26). In your view this is totally unnecessary since Christ has already come.

FP also has a problem with the physical body of Jesus Christ. Jesus physically rose from the dead and will physically return. If Christ was resurrected physically, where is His body now? If I am looking for this physical return of Christ and you are not, isn't that a difference between your Christ and mine? I say yes. For you to say so would be for you to lose the debate. You shouldn't have agree to it if you cannot answer the questions, as it was your responsibility to do in that portion of the debate. Instead TKB posits new material. Try another trick that ones old.
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Old 03-26-2009, 12:30 PM
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Things are about to pick up I see.
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Old 03-26-2009, 12:34 PM
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Things are about to pick up I see.
I am really trying to look at this from both angles. I just don't see how TKB doesn't realize his second reply was out of the actual order of the debate.
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Old 03-26-2009, 12:54 PM
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Things are about to pick up I see.
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Old 03-26-2009, 12:54 PM
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Re: You Be The Judge: Anderson Vs Burk

Okay, I know how silly and dumb I'm going to look after asking a few questions on this here thread (and perhaps it is because I don't get out often, LOL!); however, I feel as if though I must (even at the prospect of looking stupid). Can someone please tell me how Christ came in 70 AD? And, is it possible to be Apostolic and not believe in a rapture? Please tell me it aint so.
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Old 03-26-2009, 01:00 PM
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Okay, I know how silly and dumb I'm going to look after asking a few questions on this here thread (and perhaps it is because I don't get out often, LOL!); however, I feel as if though I must (even at the prospect of looking stupid). Can someone please tell me how Christ came in 70 AD? And, is it possible to be Apostolic and not believe in a rapture? Please tell me it aint so.
Uh, that's why we are all gathered here watching. Buy a ticket, get on and enjoy your ride at camp Snoopy!
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Old 03-26-2009, 01:05 PM
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Uh, that's why we are all gathered here watching. Buy a ticket, get on and enjoy your ride at camp Snoopy!
LOL! Okay, just for the point of clarification, who is a preterist and who is a futurist?
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Old 03-26-2009, 01:11 PM
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LOL! Okay, just for the point of clarification, who is a preterist and who is a futurist?
Well, it's like this as far as I can tell. Burke and Benincasa are full prets, Anderson and Epley are Full Futurists with partial partial pret leanings. Burke and Anderson are debating whether the Christ of Preterists is true or the Christ of Futurists is true. Either way I reckon, one side or the other is going to die lost! According to the other side anyway! It seems that some have made this salvational.

Sit back and watch the show.

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Old 03-26-2009, 01:23 PM
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Okay, I know how silly and dumb I'm going to look after asking a few questions on this here thread (and perhaps it is because I don't get out often, LOL!); however, I feel as if though I must (even at the prospect of looking stupid). Can someone please tell me how Christ came in 70 AD? And, is it possible to be Apostolic and not believe in a rapture? Please tell me it aint so.
NOPE. I like my preterist friends but denying the future return of Christ, the resurrection of the dead, judgment of the wicked places them OUTSIDE the Apostolic Church. I love them but facts are facts.
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Old 03-26-2009, 01:28 PM
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NOPE. I like my preterist friends but denying the future return of Christ, the resurrection of the dead, judgment of the wicked places them OUTSIDE the Apostolic Church. I love them but facts are facts.
Kinda like Anderson, you love 'em but their lost, right?

They are headed to hell unless they repent?

Split hell wide open?

Heretics?

Reprobates?



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