You Be The Judge: Anderson Vs Burk - Page 19

BrotherEastman · #**181** 03-26-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

NOPE. I like my preterist friends but denying the future return of Christ, the resurrection of the dead, judgment of the wicked places them OUTSIDE the Apostolic Church. I love them but facts are facts.

But what if they obeyed Acts 2:38? I mean, if they have the HG and been baptized in Jesus name they just might be pleasantly suprised wouldn't they?

Steve Epley · #**182** 03-26-2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

But what if they obeyed Acts 2:38? I mean, if they have the HG and been baptized in Jesus name they just might be pleasantly suprised wouldn't they?

Those in the early church teaching the resurrection was past had obeyed the gospel but became hereticks. So have these folks they believe and preach heresy.

Steve Epley · #**183** 03-26-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TJJJ

Kinda like Anderson, you love 'em but their lost, right?

They are headed to hell unless they repent?

Split hell wide open?

Heretics?

Reprobates?

Right?

They believe and teach damnable heresy yes unless they repent and deny this heresy they will be lost.

Praxeas · #**184** 03-26-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Let it further be resolved that I have continuly challenged YOU to prove that Matthew 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13 to be future. In doing that you would of been able to clearly prove your position and disprove mine. You have run faster than a rabbit trying to evade the hounds. Now I am asking you to debate me on these chapters. No fake debate. I will send my request to Praxeas.

I affirm that Matthew 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13 are past and all fulfilled in 70 A.D.

Signed Evangelist Dominic Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Look over the thread I started on debate rules/format and tell me what you think.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=23313

BrotherEastman · #**185** 03-26-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Those in the early church teaching the resurrection was past had obeyed the gospel but became hereticks. So have these folks they believe and preach heresy.

I'm not sure I understand. I really don't know much about preteristic teaching, but if the preterist teach and preach Acts 2:38 why are preterists going to hell? The way I understand it, if one has the HG and they live like it, why is the teaching wrong? What if there is something that you are unwittingly teaching that is wrong (heaven forbid)? Do you honestly believe that anyone's ignorance is going to stop the work of the cross?

JN Anderson · #**186** 03-26-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

I'm not sure I understand. I really don't know much about preteristic teaching, but if the preterist teach and preach Acts 2:38 why are preterists going to hell? The way I understand it, if one has the HG and they live like it, why is the teaching wrong? What if there is something that you are unwittingly teaching that is wrong (heaven forbid)? Do you honestly believe that anyone's ignorance is going to stop the work of the cross?

You have nicely revealed the crux of the matter. The New Birth occurs as a result of one being justified by faith in Jesus Christ. FP has placed its faith in another Christ.

Steve Epley · #**187** 03-26-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

I'm not sure I understand. I really don't know much about preteristic teaching, but if the preterist teach and preach Acts 2:38 why are preterists going to hell? The way I understand it, if one has the HG and they live like it, why is the teaching wrong? What if there is something that you are unwittingly teaching that is wrong (heaven forbid)? Do you honestly believe that anyone's ignorance is going to stop the work of the cross?

This is not ignorance it is a calculated false teaching that destroys the hope of the saints.

JN Anderson · #**188** 03-26-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

This is not ignorance it is a calculated false teaching that destroys the hope of the saints.

Very calculative and undermining. It totally undermines a huge bulk of Christian doctrines.

BrotherEastman · #**189** 03-26-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JN Anderson

You have nicely revealed the crux of the matter. The New Birth occurs as a result of one being justified by faith in Jesus Christ. FP has placed its faith in another Christ.

Another Christ? What do you mean? (I honestly thought Apostolics ((whether preterists or futurist)) believed in Acts 2:38?) Aren't Brother Burk and Brother Benicasa Apostolics?

rrford · #**190** 03-26-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TK Burk

So, I should have stayed on subject, and should of answered him though he wasn't on subject, but I should not have interjected any scriptures in an attempt to get him on subject, and I was to do all of that in 600 words or less. How exactly do you suggest this to be done?

Also, you never answered what I asked you: But, for the record, can you PLEASE show where Bro. Anderson ever gave any evidence for what the apostles taught concerning the agreed subject?

For the record, from my understanding, if Bro. Anderson did not define what his premise was then you had the right to ask him to do so. You did not have the right to interject a different passage altogether and broach another subject altogether. That is only allowed when you are in the affirmative and he is the responder.

It seems to me that you are wanting to justify your error because of Bro. Anderson's supposed error. That dog won't hunt. Sorry.