You Be The Judge: Anderson Vs Burk

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Jason

Brother Eastman,
there is a whole thread on this question, which you will notice the FP's didn'tever reply to that scripture:
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=23081

So, what do you think about post #377? I'd say that was a pretty good reply and it sort of explains the reasonings to the particular question concerning thier view of Timothy 2:18.

To be fair, I'm not defending preterism as I truly believe Jesus is coming back to catch His church away, I just don't see why it has to be a salvational issue; especially if those who hold preteristic views (at the very least) has a hope in heaven. If Brother Burk or Benecasa are filled with the HG, how can we determine they are hellbound just because they believe some convoluted doctrine?

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by afp1996

1. The Word of God.

2. The Judgment Day you may be referring to happened at the Return of our Lord which we now call AD 70. Everyone who had died physically was judged at that time.

3. Yes there is a heaven. What it looks like, we do not know. Paul stated that he saw things that could not be uttered in man's speech. With all the beauty that our Lord has created here in our Universe, Heaven, our eternal reward must be many time greater! It is exciting just thinking about it!

4. We go before the Mercy Seat of Christ/The Great White Throne, we are then either ushered into our eternal reward or we are thrown into the Lake of Fire.

Thank you for your reply!

So, do you believe that this current earth will go on and on, and that we all go to judgment immediately when we die? Then straight into heaven or hell, right then?

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by JN Anderson

Discussing whether or not Paul or John believed in a Second Coming is crucial to the argument. In fact, it actually finishes the debate. You and other FP's on this forum cannot answer DIRECT questions that are relevant to the discussion.

With all due respect Bro. Anderson, this is why I posted what I did earlier concerning the debate that never was. You have an end game to the debate, so I fail to understand why you seemed to bring up the finishing blows at the begining of the debate. If I understand correctly, you are/were a boxer. (I did a litle myself) so to compare the two, unless you are Mike Tyson, one rarely attempts to go for the knock out punche(s) in the first round. You poke and prod, test and jab until you have the opponent set up in your trap, or they run out of resourses, then you let them have it!
I do not have a dog in this fight (so to speak) but could you both consider to Resume the debate.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

There are 318 direct or indirect passages in the NT that refer to the return of Christ so how can anyone be Apostolic and not teach His glorious return and the resurrection of the dead and judgment of the wicked?

Bro. Epley,

Enough already.

Over the years I have asked this same question to you time and again. All I ever asked was for you to produce just ONE SCRIPTURE that actually says any of these six main points that you claim to believe. After all these years, you've never given even one.

To help you, here is what I asked you and what I said I would do IF you gave those six passages.....

Now let's make this easy; ALL YOU HAVE TO DO TO END THIS WHOLE ISSUE – FOREVER – IS ANSWER THE INCLUDED 6 POINTS WITH SCRIPTURE. You claim you’re right and we’re wrong, so show us.

If you give scriptures that say these six points, all of which you teach, are actually in the Bible, I will publically repent of the errors of my eschatological view, I will publically announce my conversion to Dispensationalism, and I will work to rewrite each of my studies to reflect what is actually “biblical truth.” If you cannot provide these scriptures, would you be willing to go to the same type measures? Time will tell.

So end this now! Simply give us the scriptures that you’ve forever claimed are in your Bible.

Here you go, start posting your scriptures….

1. God delayed His Kingdom because the Jews rejected Jesus.

2. There is a gap between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel.

3. There will be a secret pre-tribulation rapture of the Church.

4. God will require the building of a physical third Jewish Temple.

5. An Antichrist will make a 7-year covenant with the Jews.

6. There will be a future 7-year tribulation period.

So, how about it, Bro. Epley? Will you FINALLY answer these with scriptures??





Watch, Bro. Epley never has answered these, and he never will....

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

So, what do you think about post #377? I'd say that was a pretty good reply and it sort of explains the reasonings to the particular question concerning thier view of Timothy 2:18.

To be fair, I'm not defending preterism as I truly believe Jesus is coming back to catch His church away, I just don't see why it has to be a salvational issue; especially if those who hold preteristic views (at the very least) has a hope in heaven. If Brother Burk or Benecasa are filled with the HG, how can we determine they are hellbound just because they believe some convoluted doctrine?

Brother, I've NEVER said they were hell-bound, but that the source of their doctrine is not the BIBLE. I believe it is a lie. Just like the trinity. Good people believe in the trinity, and these good brothers believe in full preterism. It is still ERROR.

[TK Burk]

Jason, I most certainly DID reply to you—with Scripture.

RIGHT HERE

However, you never did respond to my answer….



I am not offended or threatened if a person does not agree with what I believe. But misrepresenting what 'was said' or 'not said' is another issue. There is WAY too much of that being done here in effort to "prove" AFP is wrong, and THAT is wrong!

I pray everyone posting here remembers that it's not just the readers on AFF that's reading what's posted, but Jesus sees everything that's said/claimed/accused as well. I admonish all to remember Exodus 20:16.

[ChTatum]

All right, I readily acknowledge my ignorance on the subject of preterism. Thankfully, I never had a pastor taught such. I didn't know such a belief existed before coming on to a forum such as this. My question is this, do preterist believe in a literal catching away of the saints at some future point in time, or does each soul have their own personal white throne judgement at death?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Jason

Brother, I've NEVER said they were hell-bound, but that the source of their doctrine is not the BIBLE. I believe it is a lie. Just like the trinity. Good people believe in the trinity, and these good brothers believe in full preterism. It is still ERROR.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by ChTatum

All right, I readily acknowledge my ignorance on the subject of preterism. Thankfully, I never had a pastor taught such. I didn't know such a belief existed before coming on to a forum such as this. My question is this, do preterist believe in a literal catching away of the saints at some future point in time, or does each soul have their own personal white throne judgement at death?

Thanks for your honesty.

"Catching away"? NO

AFP teaches a resurrection, not a rapture.

"Own judgment at death"? YES

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Bowas

With all due respect Bro. Anderson, this is why I posted what I did earlier concerning the debate that never was. You have an end game to the debate, so I fail to understand why you seemed to bring up the finishing blows at the begining of the debate. If I understand correctly, you are/were a boxer. (I did a litle myself) so to compare the two, unless you are Mike Tyson, one rarely attempts to go for the knock out punche(s) in the first round. You poke and prod, test and jab until you have the opponent set up in your trap, or they run out of resourses, then you let them have it!
I do not have a dog in this fight (so to speak) but could you both consider to Resume the debate.

I am more than willing as stated many times here already.