After walking around this puppy for years, I have come to the conclusion that the question
“Do you think baptism remits sin?” is a boondoggle.
It is the (snicker) line that gets to the next epithet: CATHOLIC! (yuck)
What no one stepper can ever get around is the fact that the bible commands baptism in Jesus Name.
The bible doesn’t say it is a good idea. It doesn’t make a kind suggestion.
Nowhere does the bible say baptism is helpful for other Christians to recognize a fellow believer.
It is commanded… repeatedly.
So at the end of the day, you can argue the semantics of when remission happens. You and argue if the word “for” (eis) means for the purpose of; or because of until you are blue in the face but what you cannot do is fine some way to launch yourself thru enough burning hoops to convince me that one can remain disobedient to scripture and remain saved at the same time.
If you ain’t baptized in Jesus name, I don’t care what you think, you have not submitted yourself to the command of scripture.
Is one washed in Baptism? Well we have a whole cloud of witnesses from Noah and his family to the Israelites in the Red Sea to Peter on the Day of Pentecost that seem to point in a direction.
But if you want to be baptized to show the world what God already did for you when you repented, good for you, at least you are being obedient to scripture. Just don’t tell me the guy that refuses is a good brother of mine who is “living the life”
I also believe the fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom. And I understand why some cannot grasp the simple wisdom of scripture.
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However let me ask you something about this scripture and your beliefs. Do you believe that water baptism is regenerative, that it washes away your sins?
I'm not really sure. I've always been taught that baptism is necessary for washing away the sins. That's why I'm studying this, to get an understanding for myself
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Originally Posted by freeatlast
I am a one stepper. I do believe eveery Christian should be baptized. 1 Pet 3:21 lets us know the water does not wash us, but rahter the blood, thru the reserection of Christ.
Major difference in one step vs three step theolgy. One steppers get baptized BECAUSE Christ has saved them thru the resurection of christ. BECAUSE they desire to proclaim their faith publicly.
Three steppers get batized to GET saved. Believing that it gives them new birth, all the while exclaiming loudly that they are NOT baptismal regenerations as are their Catholic counter parts.
So why do you think the verse states "Washing away your sins"?
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Originally Posted by tbpew
I do not think that is what the Ethiopian Eunuch was thinking when he asked of Phillip: "Here is water, what hinders me from being baptised"?
Phillip established the enabling criteria by asking him a question.
AFTER the Eunuch answered by confirming that JESUS CHRIST is the SON of God....
they both went down into the water and Phillip baptised the Eunuch.
I do not believe that Phillip thought the water washed away sins.
I do not believe the Eunuch thought the water washed away sins.
I do believe they BOTH acknowledged that WATER was involved in their burial with the one who died for them.
1 John 5:8 invites us to consider the witness, to have understanding concerning: the spirit, the water, and the blood agreeing in one.
But, same question - what about how the verse I quoted is worded?
It's His blood that remits sins. Unless someone is being very careless, there is no shedding of blood at a baptism. And where there is no shedding of blood, there is no "remission."
Also we will notice that it is by having Paul "call on the name of the Lord" that the washing takes place, not baptism (1 Peter 3:21).
Why do I equate it with remitted? Because that's what I've been taught? Scriptures that have been used are Acts 2:38 - 'for the remission of sin', and the verse I quoted in my first post.
So, back to my original question - why does it say 'be baptized and wash away thy sins'?
AQP are you seeing it diffrently now that you are studing it for yourself. I sat down one wensday evening kids and wife were at church opened up the bible to acts and read all the way though by myself and the next night I read romans and started questioning somethings myself..
16And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Does this mean that your sins are not washed away, gone, remitted.... until baptism? If not, what does it mean?
1 Steppers believe that the washing away of the sins comes through the agent of CALLING upon the Name of the Lord and that this calling was done at Baptism by the early church. So the calling upon the Name of Jesus is actually what washes the sins and not the water as the brother mentioned about 1 Peter 3:21.
In other words a person who wanted to be saved would stand in the water, call upon Jesus to save them from their sins in repentance and then be baptized in Jesus' Name. The water had no regenerating effect. This is how Romans 10:9-10 was performed.
As far as wondering if sins are remitted by Baptism, look at this verse in Acts:
Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
The same exact phrase as Acts 2:38 (remission of sins) but promised at belief. Peter later claims in Acts 11 that he was sure that God had accepted the Gentiles because of the Holy Ghost. Of course they were baptized immediately but apparently not to obtain salvation but because of salvation.
All this in light of 1 step theology
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AQP are you seeing it diffrently now that you are studing it for yourself. I sat down one wensday evening kids and wife were at church opened up the bible to acts and read all the way though by myself and the next night I read romans and started questioning somethings myself..
Well, it has certainly given me much to think about!
After walking around this puppy for years, I have come to the conclusion that the question
“Do you think baptism remits sin?” is a boondoggle.
It is the (snicker) line that gets to the next epithet: CATHOLIC! (yuck)
What no one stepper can ever get around is the fact that the bible commands baptism in Jesus Name.
The bible doesn’t say it is a good idea. It doesn’t make a kind suggestion.
Nowhere does the bible say baptism is helpful for other Christians to recognize a fellow believer.
It is commanded… repeatedly.
So at the end of the day, you can argue the semantics of when remission happens. You and argue if the word “for” (eis) means for the purpose of; or because of until you are blue in the face but what you cannot do is fine some way to launch yourself thru enough burning hoops to convince me that one can remain disobedient to scripture and remain saved at the same time.
If you ain’t baptized in Jesus name, I don’t care what you think, you have not submitted yourself to the command of scripture.
Is one washed in Baptism? Well we have a whole cloud of witnesses from Noah and his family to the Israelites in the Red Sea to Peter on the Day of Pentecost that seem to point in a direction.
But if you want to be baptized to show the world what God already did for you when you repented, good for you, at least you are being obedient to scripture. Just don’t tell me the guy that refuses is a good brother of mine who is “living the life”
I also believe the fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom. And I understand why some cannot grasp the simple wisdom of scripture.
For the most part I would wholeheartedly agree.
Baptism in Jesus' Name is a commandment and not a suggestion.
There have been vicious fruitless wars fought here over the question of why when there was no disagreement as to whether.
As long as one is buried in His name, filled with His Spirit the exact machinations are irrelevant.
After walking around this puppy for years, I have come to the conclusion that the question
“Do you think baptism remits sin?” is a boondoggle.
It is the (snicker) line that gets to the next epithet: CATHOLIC! (yuck)
What no one stepper can ever get around is the fact that the bible commands baptism in Jesus Name.
The bible doesn’t say it is a good idea. It doesn’t make a kind suggestion.
Nowhere does the bible say baptism is helpful for other Christians to recognize a fellow believer.
It is commanded… repeatedly.
So at the end of the day, you can argue the semantics of when remission happens. You and argue if the word “for” (eis) means for the purpose of; or because of until you are blue in the face but what you cannot do is fine some way to launch yourself thru enough burning hoops to convince me that one can remain disobedient to scripture and remain saved at the same time.
If you ain’t baptized in Jesus name, I don’t care what you think, you have not submitted yourself to the command of scripture.
Is one washed in Baptism? Well we have a whole cloud of witnesses from Noah and his family to the Israelites in the Red Sea to Peter on the Day of Pentecost that seem to point in a direction.
But if you want to be baptized to show the world what God already did for you when you repented, good for you, at least you are being obedient to scripture. Just don’t tell me the guy that refuses is a good brother of mine who is “living the life”
I also believe the fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom. And I understand why some cannot grasp the simple wisdom of scripture.
Are you talking about unbelievers? If so - it is their lack of faith that is the root cause.
Or are you speaking of those who who have been converted calling on the name of the Lord Jesus (even at baptism) yet the minister's invocation does not match ours?
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
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Are you talking about unbelievers? If so - it is their lack of faith that is the root cause.
Or are you speaking of those who who have been converted calling on the name of the Lord Jesus (even at baptism) yet the minister's invocation does not match ours?
Brother Hoover, at the end of the day anyone who has not obeyed the command of scripture to be baptized in the name of Jesus, has not been obedient to scripture.
I do not know how one can be saved and be disobedient to scripture.
I will however, leave room for God to do what ever he wants to. Just dont ask me to condone some act (or lack thereof) that leaves one unbaptized in Jesus name.
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Brother Hoover, at the end of the day anyone who has not obeyed the command of scripture to be baptized in the name of Jesus, has not been obedient to scripture.
I do not know how one can be saved and be disobedient to scripture.
I will however, leave room for God to do what ever he wants to. Just dont ask me to condone some act (or lack thereof) that leaves one unbaptized in Jesus name.
No doubt it is God that will judge - and that is a good thing.
The question that has never been answered to my satisfaction, is; What qualifies as being "unbaptized in Jesus name"?
All partisanship aside, if someone is praying to, and thanking Jesus at the time of their baptism, I would never venture to say they were NOT baptised in Jesus name - irregardless what a third party did not say.
Indeed, I feel I would place my own salvation in jeapordy if I wrongly judge fellow brethren unto damnation. That is not to say we shouldn't argue particulars and what it is that constitutes Apostolic fashion, either.
I know you may disagree Ferd... Bless you in any case!
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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