Baptism question for One-Steppers

[Steve Epley]

My advise ignore these posts and believe the text.

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by JTTNMinistries

Classic 3 Step theology would teach that if a person has repented of sin and trusted Christ and been baptized in Jesus' Name but failed to receive the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues they would be hellbound.

Likewise any person who repented of sin and received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues but failed to be baptized in Jesus' Name would also be hellbound.

Under 3 step theology a person MUST complete all three before they are actually saved and ready for heaven.

Honestly I just think the best way to look at it is that Jesus intends for all people to repent, be baptized in His Name and receive the Holy Ghost. As long as those things are happening both 1 step, 2 step, 3 step and any other combo will be satisfied.

JTTN--
Change of subject: I assume you know the Goodine's. Their summer chorale has sung at our church two or three times in the past few years.

[JTTNMinistries]

Originally Posted by Sherri

JTTN--
Change of subject: I assume you know the Goodine's. Their summer chorale has sung at our church two or three times in the past few years.

Really? That is great. I was just talking with Bro. Wayne last night. I see him all the time because I am still in the Bible College (graduating in May, Praise the Lord). What church is it?

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by JTTNMinistries

Really? That is great. I was just talking with Bro. Wayne last night. I see him all the time because I am still in the Bible College (graduating in May, Praise the Lord). What church is it?

Love & Truth, Jackson, TN. There was this awesome lady who sang really blues style, some Japanese gal who had been a dentist at one time, and several more. And of course Brad & Bethany, who we love. Bethany stayed at our home one year and really connected with my daughter.

There was also some hispanic guy (I think) who had an infected foot or leg or something. We had to get him some meds. I've been on those chorale trips; all sorts of weird things happen. LOL!

Do you know Derek Haddock, who graduated a few years ago? Tell Wayne that he's actually getting married soon!

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Sherri

JTTN--
Change of subject: I assume you know the Goodine's. Their summer chorale has sung at our church two or three times in the past few years.

They just sang at the ACN conference last week in Abilene!!

Conference was great, they were great, and it was great to speak with Wayne for the first time in about 35 years.

I also spoke with David Cook a few times and as I recall they had young lady now with the chorale who is Chinese and took a year away from Law School in China to go to IBC

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Ferd

After walking around this puppy for years, I have come to the conclusion that the question

“Do you think baptism remits sin?” is a boondoggle.
It is the (snicker) line that gets to the next epithet: CATHOLIC! (yuck)

What no one stepper can ever get around is the fact that the bible commands baptism in Jesus Name.

The bible doesn’t say it is a good idea. It doesn’t make a kind suggestion.

Nowhere does the bible say baptism is helpful for other Christians to recognize a fellow believer.

It is commanded… repeatedly.


So at the end of the day, you can argue the semantics of when remission happens. You and argue if the word “for” (eis) means for the purpose of; or because of until you are blue in the face but what you cannot do is fine some way to launch yourself thru enough burning hoops to convince me that one can remain disobedient to scripture and remain saved at the same time.

If you ain’t baptized in Jesus name, I don’t care what you think, you have not submitted yourself to the command of scripture.

Is one washed in Baptism? Well we have a whole cloud of witnesses from Noah and his family to the Israelites in the Red Sea to Peter on the Day of Pentecost that seem to point in a direction.

But if you want to be baptized to show the world what God already did for you when you repented, good for you, at least you are being obedient to scripture. Just don’t tell me the guy that refuses is a good brother of mine who is “living the life”

I also believe the fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom. And I understand why some cannot grasp the simple wisdom of scripture.

It is commanded, but is it commanded as a condition for salvation or a commandment as an act of faith? Does baptism remit sin or does the act of faith in the Cross remit sins?

Col 2:11 in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ.

verse 12: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God.

Verse 13: and you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all your trespasses.

Verse 14: Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that were against you, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way nailing it to the cross.

Verse 14 depicts Christ on the Cross and blotting out your sins by the nailing of that which was against you to the cross.

Christ blotted out and nailed your sins and tresspasses to the Cross.

The burial is a ceremony to show that one is dead.

It is the belief in the Cross of Calvary that blots out your sins.

Once your body is dead on the Cross and you sins are blotted out, then you are to be buried with him in Baptism.

[PMBrown]

Calling on the name of Jesus washes away sins, not the water. Baptism is a symbolic act of faith. The entire witness of Scripture must be taken into consideration for this matter.

P.S. Calling on the name of Jesus is more than just a baptismal formula....its actually putting faith in Him and the redemptive work of Calvary. Many many who have been baptised in Jesus' name don't understand what it means to be "in Christ", and therefore entirely miss the point of the act of baptism

[JTTNMinistries]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

They just sang at the ACN conference last week in Abilene!!

Conference was great, they were great, and it was great to speak with Wayne for the first time in about 35 years.

I also spoke with David Cook a few times and as I recall they had young lady now with the chorale who is Chinese and took a year away from Law School in China to go to IBC

You were at the ACN conference? I just joined the ACN. I was unable to make it to the conference though. Yes, its true that they have a young lady who is actually from S. Korea but is studying in China for a law degree but came for a year to IBC.

I'm assuming you are in the ACN?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by JTTNMinistries

Classic 3 Step theology would teach that if a person has repented of sin and trusted Christ and been baptized in Jesus' Name but failed to receive the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues they would be hellbound.

Likewise any person who repented of sin and received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues but failed to be baptized in Jesus' Name would also be hellbound.

Under 3 step theology a person MUST complete all three before they are actually saved and ready for heaven.

Honestly I just think the best way to look at it is that Jesus intends for all people to repent, be baptized in His Name and receive the Holy Ghost. As long as those things are happening both 1 step, 2 step, 3 step and any other combo will be satisfied.

That's a good point - carried to its logical conclusions- "Three Step" theology doesn't really hold to the idea of "remission of sins at baptism;" at least not consistently.

But when we place all our hope and trust in the Person of Jesus Christ we CAN have confidence that He will perform what He has promised to do.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

My advise ignore these posts and believe the text.

Bump.

I believe Ananias who was inspired to say it and Luke who was inspired to write it and the God who inspired them and reject these "Baptist wannabees."

Evidently sins are washed away during the act of baptism having his name INVOKED or it would NOT have found it's way into Holy Writ.

NOT ONE PERSON SINCE PENTECOST HAS RECIEVED REMISSION OF SINS WITHOUT BEING BAPTIZED IN JESUS NAME!!!!!!!!!!!