Baptism question for One-Steppers - Page 6

KWSS1976 · #51 03-31-2009, 08:32 AM

Baptist wannabees come on bro. you are not given the UPC a good name by talking bad about other religions.. But thats ok when we all get to heaven and you have a baptist standing beside you I guess thats when you will change your way of thinking..

Ferd · #52 03-31-2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

No doubt it is God that will judge - and that is a good thing.

The question that has never been answered to my satisfaction, is; What qualifies as being "unbaptized in Jesus name"?

All partisanship aside, if someone is praying to, and thanking Jesus at the time of their baptism, I would never venture to say they were NOT baptised in Jesus name - irregardless what a third party did not say.

Indeed, I feel I would place my own salvation in jeapordy if I wrongly judge fellow brethren unto damnation. That is not to say we shouldn't argue particulars and what it is that constitutes Apostolic fashion, either.

I know you may disagree Ferd... Bless you in any case!

Honestly I have moved to some degree beynd arguing particulars in some areas. Exactly when "the blood is applied" is one of them

What I have come to realize is that far too often (and I am not saying this about you) we have a huge number that are just looking for an excuse to no follow the scripture. I am not giving them a pass. Not ever. To me that would put my salvation in jepordy.

I am perfectly comfortable letting God be God, but I do know that God has given us all his word and his word has a simple command. That command is to be baptized in his name. I am not willing to complicate it, use some symantical argument to allow for the trinitarinan formula to satisfy it, or to suggest that anyone is ok who simply has decided that since it is just and outward sign, and they arent comfortable with that, that they get a pass because it isnt a salvation issue.

Im not going there. I remain skeptical that any person can be both saved and disobedient to scripture.

Scripture commands baptism in Jesus Name. period. How does anyone find room to continue the discussion beyond that point?

*AQuietPlace* · #53 03-31-2009, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

Im not going there. I remain skeptical that any person can be both saved and disobedient to scripture.

Scripture commands baptism in Jesus Name. period. How does anyone find room to continue the discussion beyond that point?

But here's the problem..... people who have been baptized with the minister repeating Matt. 28:19 feel like they have been obedient to scripture. They are directly repeating Jesus' statement.

Will God send them to hell over that? I honestly don't know.

KWSS1976 · #54 03-31-2009, 09:15 AM

Plus at that time when jesus said that he was considered the son of god so he ment what he said in matthew 28:19 as bad as some probley want to admit it the bible is very confusing at times when reading and I firmly believe that no one will ever have all the correct answers to salvation,godhead.etc....

Steve Epley · #55 03-31-2009, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Baptist wannabees come on bro. you are not given the UPC a good name by talking bad about other religions.. But thats ok when we all get to heaven and you have a baptist standing beside you I guess thats when you will change your way of thinking..

If the Baptist make it to Heaven the Apostles preached a lie. However you must be new I have NEVER been a member ofthe UPC. Both they and I are glad.

pelathais · #56 03-31-2009, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

My advise ignore these posts and believe the text.

"Please ignore the posts that have provided ample scriptural proof for the remission of sins being provided by the blood of Jesus Christ and faith in the same Jesus Christ.

Instead, "believe" the 4 words excised from one verse and combined with 3 words from another verse in a different book of the Bible that tell us of "magic" in the water when you ignore the surrounding context."

Or have I not been generous with your view?

Steve Epley · #57 03-31-2009, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

But here's the problem..... people who have been baptized with the minister repeating Matt. 28:19 feel like they have been obedient to scripture. They are directly repeating Jesus' statement.

Will God send them to hell over that? I honestly don't know.

They have NOT been baptized IN THE NAME the preacher lied when he ducked them in the water. Their baptism is NOT valid and their sins have NOT been remitted. Both the preacher and the follower are lost.

Would God send someone to Hell for believing Buddah is the Way?
Would God send someone to Hell for passing out Watchtower magazines and believing Jesus is NOT God?
Would God send a good Catholic to Hell for believing in the confessional and euchrist power to save?
God probably has just shut down Hell.

Steve Epley · #58 03-31-2009, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

"Please ignore the posts that have provided ample scriptural proof for the remission of sins being provided by the blood of Jesus Christ and faith in the same Jesus Christ.

Instead, "believe" the 4 words excised from one verse and combined with 3 words from another verse in a different book of the Bible that tell us of "magic" in the water when you ignore the surrounding context."

Or have I not been generous with your view?

True belief is to obey NOT mental assent. Bible faith includes water baptism in Jesus Name FOR the remission of sins. ONLY through faith in obedience to the Word when the penitent is baptized in Jesus Name does Calvary's blood remit sins.

Not magic just Bible like Naaman dipping hinself in Jordan according to the saying of the man of God it worked.
Faith in obedience works every time it is tried.

KWSS1976 · #59 03-31-2009, 09:43 AM

Don't ya think if it mattered then in Mattew 28:19 Jesus would of just said be baptised in my name which is Jesus why would jesus himself just not tell them how to be baptised if matthew 28:19 is error why did jesus say it...

Ferd · #60 03-31-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

But here's the problem..... people who have been baptized with the minister repeating Matt. 28:19 feel like they have been obedient to scripture. They are directly repeating Jesus' statement.

Will God send them to hell over that? I honestly don't know.

AQP, why does it matter if you know or not? The simple reality is that the bible commands it.