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Re: Costume dispute!!!!
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Originally Posted by Falla39
Not any big deal but I personally believe that Mary Magdalene was the same woman that washed Jesus feet with her tears, was taken (supposely) in the act of adultery, also broke the alabaster box and anointed Jesus' feet, was Lazarus' and Martha's sister, of whom Jesus cast out seven devils, also sat at Jesus' feet, while Martha complained to Jesus about Mary needed to help her serve. First that Jesus appeared to after His resurrection.
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Yes, Sister Falla. This is how I have understood it - Mary, Martha's sister, is Mary Magdelene. I don't have time to look up the scripture that proves this. It has escaped me right now, but there is one that bears that out.
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04-01-2009, 01:02 PM
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Re: Costume dispute!!!!
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
Yes, Sister Falla. This is how I have understood it - Mary, Martha's sister, is Mary Magdelene. I don't have time to look up the scripture that proves this. It has escaped me right now, but there is one that bears that out. 
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Yes, and every so often the pastor will ask the question, If Jesus were
walking along the seashore today, with His bride, how would she be dressed
and what would she look like. I say, somewhat under my breath, "Mary Mag-
dalene!! No woman could be any purer and cleaner, than after she has
touched JESUS"!
Whiter than snow, whiter than snow. Wash me and I, shall
be WHITER than Snow!
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Falla39
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04-01-2009, 01:13 PM
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Re: Costume dispute!!!!
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
Yes, Sister Falla. This is how I have understood it - Mary, Martha's sister, is Mary Magdelene. I don't have time to look up the scripture that proves this. It has escaped me right now, but there is one that bears that out. 
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Joh 11:1 Now a certain man was sick, named Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha.
Joh 11:2 (It was that Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.)
Luke 8:2 And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils,
Joh 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
Joh 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
Luk 7:36 And one of the Pharisees desired him that he would eat with him. And he went into the Pharisee's house, and sat down to meat.
Luk 7:37 And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment,
Luk 7:38 And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment.
Luk 7:39 Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.
1. There was the Mary, sister to Martha and Lazarus, who anointed Jesus' feet. ( John 11:1-2)
2. And there was Mary Magdalene, out of whom Jesus cast devils. ( Luke 8:2)
3. Then there was the adulterous woman. ( John 8:3-4)
4. And another woman who anointed Jesus' feet at the Pharisee's house. (She could have been the same as the adulterous woman, or Mary Magdalene, but she was probably not Mary, sister to Martha.) ( Luke 7:36-39)
There were two events in which a woman anointed Jesus' feet, because at one event they were at Mary & Martha's house, after Lazarus had been raised from the dead, and at the other event he was at a Pharisee's house, and it says a "woman in the city." At the second event, Judas complained about the cost. At the first event, the complaint was that Jesus allowed a sinner woman to touch His feet.
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04-01-2009, 01:26 PM
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Re: Costume dispute!!!!
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
Joh 11:1 Now a certain man was sick, named Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha.
Joh 11:2 (It was that Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.)
Luke 8:2 And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils,
Joh 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
Joh 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
Luk 7:36 And one of the Pharisees desired him that he would eat with him. And he went into the Pharisee's house, and sat down to meat.
Luk 7:37 And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment,
Luk 7:38 And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment.
Luk 7:39 Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.
1. There was the Mary, sister to Martha and Lazarus, who anointed Jesus' feet. ( John 11:1-2)
2. And there was Mary Magdalene, out of whom Jesus cast devils. ( Luke 8:2)
3. Then there was the adulterous woman. ( John 8:3-4)
4. And another woman who anointed Jesus' feet at the Pharisee's house. (She could have been the same as the adulterous woman, or Mary Magdalene, but she was probably not Mary, sister to Martha.) ( Luke 7:36-39)
There were two events in which a woman anointed Jesus' feet, because at one event they were at Mary & Martha's house, after Lazarus had been raised from the dead, and at the other event he was at a Pharisee's house, and it says a "woman in the city." At the second event, Judas complained about the cost. At the first event, the complaint was that Jesus allowed a sinner woman to touch His feet.
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Was Lazarus a Pharisee? I didn't check. I was just thinking if the story is in two Gospels, it could be speaking of the same event. Some Gospels bear out a little more information than others even though speaking of the same event.
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04-01-2009, 01:42 PM
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Re: Costume dispute!!!!
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
Was Lazarus a Pharisee? I didn't check. I was just thinking if the story is in two Gospels, it could be speaking of the same event. Some Gospels bear out a little more information than others even though speaking of the same event.
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Hmmm...I don't know. The first was at Capernaum, and the second at Bethany. They appear to be two different events. (To me)
The only confusing point is that John refers to Mary, sister of Lazarus as " that Mary" which anointed Jesus' feet BEFORE he accounts Lazarus' death, and the subsequent account of Mary anointing Jesus' feet at the house in Bethany.
I wonder if Mary anointed His feet twice? At the Pharisee's house in Capernaum, and again after Lazarus was raised from the dead?
I'm going to have to do some more reading now. This is starting to get interesting!
I don't think any of the scriptures ever say that Mary, sister of Lazarus was "Mary called Magdalene", or that "Mary called Magdalene" anointed Jesus' feet. Maybe that's just a common assumption?
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"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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04-01-2009, 01:45 PM
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Re: Costume dispute!!!!
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
Was Lazarus a Pharisee? I didn't check. I was just thinking if the story is in two Gospels, it could be speaking of the same event. Some Gospels bear out a little more information than others even though speaking of the same event.
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John 12:1-8.
I'm not sure about Lazarus being a Pharisee. The Jews knew
Jesus loved Lazarus much and they consulted to put Lazarus to death also.
Somewhere I read that Lazarus was rich and was an insider in the
temple, perhaps part of the Sanheidrun. They may have considered
him as a traitor. Kinda like Nicodemus, came to Jesus BY NIGHT, under the
shade of darkness. He knew that no one could do the miracles except God
be with him. Jesus did the miracles that they might believe he was who he
said he was. (I like to dig out nuggets). He hid the truth from the wise and
prudent and revealed them unto babes. Come on, Babes, let's dig!)
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04-01-2009, 12:58 PM
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Re: Costume dispute!!!!
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I'm in charge of sewing and preparing the costumes for our Easter program. I've been doing costumes for years and I have a question. The Director and I are not arguing, just discussing, for the record.
Background:
I like to be historically accurate when I prepare a costume. The play is a narration, some script and a musical.
We have one part where the women, taken in adultery, is thrown at Jesus' feet.
Problem:
The Director wants me to shorten the women's sleeves because she wants her to have bling, bling showing on her wrists. I don't have a problem with that, but I'm not in agreement with the shortened sleeves. In John 8:3 the Scribes and Pharisees bring her to Jesus quoting Moses's law - that bears out that she is a Hebrew. She is saying that this is Mary Magdelene in Luke 8:2 and I don't believe it is the same woman.
I don't think just because she committed adultery that she was a Hoochie Mama. LOL! I think she would dress as the Hebrews dressed. I don't see her as adopting the dress of the Romans or Greeks, per se.
So, would you shorten the sleeves or leave them long? I have to do what the Director wants, but this just bugs me!
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You wear a costume?
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04-01-2009, 12:59 PM
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Re: Costume dispute!!!!
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You wear a costume? 
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I'm the Narrator - thus I don't need a costume.
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04-01-2009, 01:27 PM
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Re: Costume dispute!!!!
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I'm the Narrator - thus I don't need a costume. 
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04-01-2009, 01:31 PM
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Re: Costume dispute!!!!
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As slow as you talk? 
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