Harrassed & Detained For Carrying Cash @ Airport

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by coadie

They are not a drug trafficking agency. They are looking for weapons and doing a name search for file listed terrorists, people with outstanding warrants immigratin and law enforcement data bases.

Actually the view is wrong. It needs to show by law that they can ask about money. He knew that. There is no law that says it is illegal to carry non counterfeit currency. The right to possess legal tender is not removed during air travel.

To my knowledge, only Miami screens it's airport workers. If a baggage handler has more than 3 oz of salad dressing in his lunch pail, it is confiscated.




I am not messing with you. Why in the world would drugs move in America using an airplane with inspectors? Same with money. If you had 500,000 on you for dope, you would never need to fly commercial and domestic.

This is what I am looking for.

According to regulations against fraud, a citizen who enters Israel carrying more than NIS 80,000 must declare the money to customs authorities.

I wonder what wording the TSA has that would be similar to this. I think they must have something.

I also don't agree with you that the TSA only handles weapons and terrorists. It doesn't make sense that they wouldn't follow a money trail. The money is included in weapon and drug sales.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

This is what I am looking for.



I wonder what wording the TSA has that would be similar to this. I think they must have something.

I also don't agree with you that the TSA only handles weapons and terrorists. It doesn't make sense that they wouldn't follow a money trail. The money is included in weapon and drug sales.

Same if I go to Vegas or hire 20 illegals and pay them cash. Paying cash is not illegal. Failure to withhold taxes is or is hiring undocumented workers.

I will digress a bit. If cocain is illegal, it is not about amouint. If a gram, you are probably not a dealer. If it is a gram and a suitcase full of money. Probably a dealer. If you have 100 dollars, 500, 5,000 at what point is it illegal? If like by bank buddy at church goes to buy a car on e-bay, they don't want a hot check. He will take 20,000 dollars. Fly out and drive home if the car runs as pictured.

Druggies want to launder money and take hundreds of thousands into a bank and wire transfer. so reporting 10,000 or more makes sense to HSA but it doesn't keep you off a plane. Taking cash out of the bank for 9,000 5 days in a row may get one reported. It is not a crime. It is merely a reporting requirement. 40,000 is a good number to fly to Puerto rico and gamble at dorado beech and fill a boat with gas for deep sea fishing for several days.
Thing is Puerto rico is usually thru Miami. Many others have direct flights and there are of course boats where a person could pay cash for drugs. all the agents needed to do was bring out the laws showing detention for possession of legal currency. They were angry because they got caught and couldn't.

TSA is Not US customs.

http://www.aa.com/aa/i18nForward.do?...horEvent=false

TSA says nothing about money other than coins.

[Pressing-On]

Coadie,
I seem to keep being tied up on the phone today. I'll read your post later.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by coadie

Same if I go to Vegas or hire 20 illegals and pay them cash. Paying cash is not illegal. Failure to withhold taxes is or is hiring undocumented workers.

I will digress a bit. If cocain is illegal, it is not about amouint. If a gram, you are probably not a dealer. If it is a gram and a suitcase full of money. Probably a dealer. If you have 100 dollars, 500, 5,000 at what point is it illegal? If like by bank buddy at church goes to buy a car on e-bay, they don't want a hot check. He will take 20,000 dollars. Fly out and drive home if the car runs as pictured.

Druggies want to launder money and take hundreds of thousands into a bank and wire transfer. so reporting 10,000 or more makes sense to HSA but it doesn't keep you off a plane. Taking cash out of the bank for 9,000 5 days in a row may get one reported. It is not a crime. It is merely a reporting requirement. 40,000 is a good number to fly to Puerto rico and gamble at dorado beech and fill a boat with gas for deep sea fishing for several days.
Thing is Puerto rico is usually thru Miami. Many others have direct flights and there are of course boats where a person could pay cash for drugs. all the agents needed to do was bring out the laws showing detention for possession of legal currency. They were angry because they got caught and couldn't.

TSA is Not US customs.

http://www.aa.com/aa/i18nForward.do?...horEvent=false

TSA says nothing about money other than coins.

If you are carrying valuable items such as large amounts of currency, coins or jewelry, we recommend that you ask Security Officers to screen you and your carry-on luggage in private. This will maintain your security and avoid public scrutiny.

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...rial_1847.shtm

Looks like his money needed to be checked.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

If you are carrying valuable items such as large amounts of currency, coins or jewelry, we recommend that you ask Security Officers to screen you and your carry-on luggage in private. This will maintain your security and avoid public scrutiny.

Looks like his money needed to be checked.

I don't think so.

What does it say?

If you are carrying valuable items such as large amounts of currency etc...

They recommend... not demand... that you ask Security officers to screen you and your carry on... which is what every single person goes through at the checkpoint....in private.

Why?

It will maintain your security and prevent public scrutiny... in other words... so nobody else will see a big bundle of cash being pulled out and then target you for theft.

This is not stating that large amounts of cash are suspicious.

This is stating that... if you have a large amount of cash... let the Security Officer know... an implied notion here is that this will not bring you under suspicion since they are offering to screen you in private so others won't target you for theft etc.

This is a courtesy and suggestion they are making FOR those with huge amounts of cash.

This, in no way, makes a statement that carrying large amounts of cash puts you under suspicion.

To the contrary, this is stating that, if you have large amounts of cash, let us know and we will help you get through covertly.

The article in it's entirety reads as follows... notice the bolded portions.

Traveling with Special Items

Currency, Coins, Precious Metals, or Valuable Jewelry

If you are carrying valuable items such as large amounts of currency, coins or jewelry, we recommend that you ask Security Officers to screen you and your carry-on luggage in private. This will maintain your security and avoid public scrutiny.

We suggest that you ask to speak with a TSA screening supervisor before you are screened. Tell the supervisor discretely that you would be screened in a private location.

TSA operating procedures require a witness to be present during private screening. The witness may be another TSA Security Officer or someone that is traveling with you.

If cleared, you and your valuables will be allowed to enter the sterile side of the airport.

Private screening is also available to individuals randomly selected for screening at the airline gate.

We recommend that you carry these items with you at all times.


Currency Reporting: For international flights, you must report the transport of $10,000.00 USD or more to the U.S. Customs Service.

[coadie]

If you are carrying valuable items such as large amounts of currency, coins or jewelry, we recommend that you ask Security Officers to screen you and your carry-on luggage in private. This will maintain your security and avoid public scrutiny.

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...rial_1847.shtm

Looks like his money needed to be checked.

I had several rational law profs. i see people read things into laws that just aren't there. It says his bags needed to be checked in the law and since there is something called money, it is suggested doing it in privacy. Same goes for carrying a taped shut cooler with an organ for transplant. It may not be opened and handled. I have had orthopaedic implants hand delivered. They may be sterile and the guards have to keep their filthy hands off of things.



Doesn't say that, it says to ask for privacy. If a crook saw your money, they could follow you and burgle you. I am unable to read that it is illegal.

It doesn't say they are to hassle you in private. Reminder, they are screening for knives weapons fluids etc.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

I don't think so.

What does it say?

If you are carrying valuable items such as large amounts of currency etc...

They recommend... not demand... that you ask Security officers to screen you and your carry on... which is what every single person goes through at the checkpoint....in private.

Why?

It will maintain your security and prevent public scrutiny... in other words... so nobody else will see a big bundle of cash being pulled out and then target you for theft.

This is not stating that large amounts of cash are suspicious.

This is stating that... if you have a large amount of cash... let the Security Officer know... an implied notion here is that this will not bring you under suspicion since they are offering to screen you in private so others won't target you for theft etc.

This is a courtesy and suggestion they are making FOR those with huge amounts of cash.

This, in no way, makes a statement that carrying large amounts of cash puts you under suspicion.

To the contrary, this is stating that, if you have large amounts of cash, let us know and we will help you get through covertly.

The article in it's entirety reads as follows... notice the bolded portions.

What would this portion mean?

If cleared, you and your valuables will be allowed to enter the sterile side of the airport.
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...rial_1847.shtm

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

What would this portion mean?

If cleared, you and your valuables will be allowed to enter the sterile side of the airport.
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...rial_1847.shtm

Exactly what it says... if cleared you can continue on.

If they check and you have $20k and you haven't cleared it with US Customs... not cleared.

If they check you and you have a AK-47 in your bag... not cleared.

This is not pointing any fingers of suspicion at the cash. It is just stating that.. just like everyone else... they will screen you privately... but you must pass the screening to be cleared...

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by coadie

I had several rational law profs. i see people read things into laws that just aren't there. It says his bags needed to be checked in the law and since there is something called money, it is suggested doing it in privacy. Same goes for carrying a taped shut cooler with an organ for transplant. It may not be opened and handled. I have had orthopaedic implants hand delivered. They may be sterile and the guards have to keep their filthy hands off of things.



Doesn't say that, it says to ask for privacy. If a crook saw your money, they could follow you and burgle you. I am unable to read that it is illegal.

It doesn't say they are to hassle you in private. Reminder, they are screening for knives weapons fluids etc.

Okay Coad... this is getting ridiculous...

Do you have a keylogger on my keyboard?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Exactly what it says... if cleared you can continue on.

If they check and you have $20k and you haven't cleared it with US Customs... not cleared.

If they check you and you have a AK-47 in your bag... not cleared.

This is not pointing any fingers of suspicion at the cash. It is just stating that.. just like everyone else... they will screen you privately... but you must pass the screening to be cleared...

I'm trying not to let my caller hear me typing! lol

I think the "cleared" gives them some room to maneuver.