Harrassed & Detained For Carrying Cash @ Airport

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by tstew

I understand the specific legal requirement to declare $10,000. I don't believe that that means that you cannot be asked simple questions about large amounts of cash less than that. You may not have to go through the procedure of declaring the money and filling out the paperwork, but I think it is ridiculous to not be cooperative. The mere fact that there is a law specifically concerning large amounts of cash at airports in particular show there is a distinct law enforcement concern. At this time in our country and in the environment in airports, it is ridiculous to not simply cooperate and allow them to move on to other distinct law enforcement concerns.

One certainly can ask question about large amounts of money. No issue there whatsoever.

But.. am I legally required to answer? That is what he was asking. And that is what they refused to answer for him.

For instance... if you were pulled over and the policeman asked you if he could search your vehicle.

He certainly, without question, can ask you that question. He certainly has that right.

You have the right to agree to the search even without a warrant. But you also have the right to question whether you are legally required to allow him to perform that search.

[tstew]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

One certainly can ask question about large amounts of money. No issue there whatsoever.

But.. am I legally required to answer? That is what he was asking. And that is what they refused to answer for him.

For instance... if you were pulled over and the policeman asked you if he could search your vehicle.

He certainly, without question, can ask you that question. He certainly has that right.

You have the right to agree to the search even without a warrant. But you also have the right to question whether you are legally required to allow him to perform that search.

We'll never see eye-to eye on this, but I personally think he was being ridiculous. He intended to cause a sensation and now that he has, he pretends to be surprised. At the end of the day $10,000 is not the amount that they will ask you about or will raise suspicion, it's the amount that you have to go through the legal procedure and paperwork to declare. If everybody refused to cooperate with law enforcement in this way, it would be ridiculous. Going through a vehicle search is not the same as answering a few simple questions in a place as sensitive as an airport while already exhibiting behavior that is specifically a concern. That's just my opinion.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by tstew

We'll never see eye-to eye on this, but I personally think he was being ridiculous. He intended to cause a sensation and now that he has, he pretends to be surprised. At the end of the day $10,000 is not the amount that they will ask you about or will raise suspicion, it's the amount that you have to go through the legal procedure and paperwork to declare. If everybody refused to cooperate with law enforcement in this way, it would be ridiculous. Going through a vehicle search is not the same as answering a few simple questions in a place as sensitive as an airport while already exhibiting behavior that is specifically a concern. That's just my opinion.

Yes sir... and we are all entitled to our opinion. In my opinion if everyone questioned the legality of any actions that appear to exceed our true and legal requirement it would be the beginning of the process that took our country back from the constant loss of rights & freedoms that we have experienced over nearly 2 decades now.

Actually... I don't even think we disagree. You just don't like what he did and can't see yourself agreeing with him doing so.

We both agree that they had the right to ask the question even if he was not legally required to answer it.

I think we both agree that he has the right to question whether there is a legal requirement for him to do so.

The difference we have begins when we express our feelings about the fact that he did so.

[tstew]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Yes sir... and we are all entitled to our opinion. In my opinion if everyone questioned the legality of any actions that appear to exceed our true and legal requirement it would be the beginning of the process that took our country back from the constant loss of rights & freedoms that we have experienced over nearly 2 decades now.

Actually... I don't even think we disagree. You just don't like what he did and can't see yourself agreeing with him doing so.

We both agree that they had the right to ask the question even if he was not legally required to answer it.

I think we both agree that he has the right to question whether there is a legal requirement for him to do so.

The difference we have begins when we express our feelings about the fact that he did so.

I'm just saying that in the world that we live in, as someone who flies frequently, I think we should all be reasonably cooperative with those who are charged with all of our safety. I don't think he was.

If you want to make sweeping constitutional realignment I applaud you, but I would pick somewhere other than security lines at an airport. At the very least, you should expect it to create some delay and further questioning. I think he did expect this and I'm not terribly impressed.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by tstew

We'll never see eye-to eye on this, but I personally think he was being ridiculous. He intended to cause a sensation and now that he has, he pretends to be surprised. At the end of the day $10,000 is not the amount that they will ask you about or will raise suspicion, it's the amount that you have to go through the legal procedure and paperwork to declare. If everybody refused to cooperate with law enforcement in this way, it would be ridiculous. Going through a vehicle search is not the same as answering a few simple questions in a place as sensitive as an airport while already exhibiting behavior that is specifically a concern. That's just my opinion.

Why do I need to repeat that he is not going thru customs.
Domestic allows up 3,000 claim for carry on value. If he wants up to 5,000 he has to declare it to the airline.

He is not required to declare 4,300 to TSA. He did and it showed up upon inspection of the bags.


Fortunately I get my truth from banking laws and CPA info.



The Patriot Act authorizes Treasury to issue rules requiring FCMs, CPOs, and CTAs to file Suspicious Activity Reports (SARs). Treasury has issued a final rule requiring FCMs and IBs to file SARs. Treasury has not yet proposed a rule requiring CPOs and CTAs to file SARs. Treasury also has issued a Form 101, Suspicious Activity Report by the Securities and Futures Industries (SAR-SF) (with instructions), which FCMs and IBs must use to report suspicious transactions, and which CPOs and CTAs may use to report voluntarily. Treasury has also posted guidance on common errors found in filed SARs.

Final BSA rules require that SARs be filed by any broker or dealer in securities (as amended in 2003); mutual fund; money service business (as amended in 2003); insurance company (as amended in 2006); casino; or bank (as amended in 2000).
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Banking agencies with regulations that require the filing of SARs: Federal Reserve Board; Comptroller of the Currency; Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation; Office of Thrift Supervision; and National Credit Union Administration. The Federal Reserve Board has issued a supervisory letter that provides relief from the Board's SAR filing requirements for nonbank subsidiaries of bank holding companies or state member banks, such as FCMs and IBs that file suspicious activity reports pursuant to separate Treasury suspicious activity reporting requirements.
Verifying the Identity of Customers

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Treasury and the CFTC have jointly issued final rules (with a subsequent correction) that require FCMs and IBs to have customer identification programs (CIPs) for identifying and verifying the identity of customers. An FCM’s or IB’s procedures must enable it to form a reasonable belief that it knows the true identity of each customer.

I notice there is some presumption that the tSA on domestic flights takes some liberties that are relegated to banks and proper reporting.

You are wrong on the declaration rules pertaining to domestic travel.

No I also do not see eye to eye with non bankers and non CPA's or Lawyers.

Have you taken the CPA exam? Of course CPA's audit banks for transaction reporting compliance.

[tstew]

Coadie, I'm not interested in a big cut-and-paste debate on this. The point that everybody has been trying to make is that carrying large amounts of cash at any airport is a tell that fits a specific profile that law enforcement is aware of and will respond to. When you factor in the unique concerns at airports and security concerns of all types, I believe that everyone should be reasonably cooperative. If you wish to spur some great constitutional revival, there are much more sensible places to begin.
Most people are not so uncooperative in this situation...but then again, most people are not trying to "make a point" like he was.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by tstew

Coadie, I'm not interested in a big cut-and-paste debate on this. The point that everybody has been trying to make is that carrying large amounts of cash at any airport is a tell that fits a specific profile that law enforcement is aware of and will respond to. When you factor in the unique concerns at airports and security concerns of all types, I believe that everyone should be reasonably cooperative. If you wish to spur some great constitutional revival, there are much more sensible places to begin.
Most people are not so uncooperative in this situation...but then again, most people are not trying to "make a point" like he was.

I am really not interested in the weak points you are trying to make. The TSA is a disaster.

You also seem to not grasp the difference between Customs and international flights and domestic travel.

Independent peiople are testing the TSA for screening and they on one long term test, missed 24% of the illegal weapons.

But in the tape they acted like know it alls in trying to probe regarding travel that was outside their duties.

You are not a CPA nor a psychologist. The inspectors are not either.

4,00 is not much cash and it is not illegal.

If an employee of mine cashes their payroll check and carries 4,00, they are not committing a crime.

You can repeat it 100 times and youi are still wrong.

[coadie]

The TSA is out of control! Monica Emmerson was traveling with her 19 month old toddler when she was detained at Reagan International Airport and threatened with arrest because her toddler had a sippy cup with tap water in it, according to NowPublic:

"I demanded to speak to a TSA supervisor who asked me if the water in the sippy cup was 'nursery water or other bottled water.' I explained that the sippy cup water was filtered tap water. The sippy cup was seized as my son was pointing and crying for his cup. I asked if I could drink the water to get the cup back, and was advised that I would have to leave security and come back through with an empty cup in order to retain the cup. As I was escorted out of security by TSA and a police officer, I unscrewed the cup to drink the water, which accidentally spilled because I was so upset with the situation.

"At this point, I was detained against my will by the police officer and threatened to be arrested for endangering other passengers with the spilled 3 to 4 ounces of water. I was ordered to clean the water, so I got on my hands and knees while my son sat in his stroller with no shoes on since they were also screened and I had no time to put them back on his feet. I asked to call back my fiancé, who I could still see from afar, waiting for us to clear security, to watch my son while I was being detained, and the officer threatened to arrest me if I moved. So I yelled past security to get the attention of my fiancé.

TSA hassles. It seems we can't find worthwhile arrest stats for domestic travel. But The TSA gone wild stories grow.

[tstew]

Originally Posted by coadie

I am really not interested in the weak points you are trying to make. The TSA is a disaster.

You also seem to not grasp the difference between Customs and international flights and domestic travel.

Independent peiople are testing the TSA for screening and they on one long term test, missed 24% of the illegal weapons.

But in the tape they acted like know it alls in trying to probe regarding travel that was outside their duties.

You are not a CPA nor a psychologist. The inspectors are not either.

4,00 is not much cash and it is not illegal.

If an employee of mine cashes their payroll check and carries 4,00, they are not committing a crime.

You can repeat it 100 times and youi are still wrong.

Coadie, I'll be perfectly honest with you. I was not attempting to make none of my points (weak or otherwise) to you. Based on some of the condescending and mean-spirited comments you have made on this thread, you are not someone I intend to have many discussions with.
You don't know anything about me, so are in no position to tell me what I am or what I'm not.
You don't seem to grasp the point that travelling with large amounts of cash that you absolutely refuse to answer basic questions about is something that will get law enforcement's attention in any airport for any flight.

I still hold out little hope that you are just some alter ego and everything you say is TIC, but I'm starting to fear that you are who you are...though I'm far from convinced that you do and have everything you say you do and have.

However, if you are as supremely accomplished as you claim to be, I would imagine that "$4,00" is not a lot of money to you...I just pray for your sake that you have someone proofread all the checks you must write.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

One certainly can ask question about large amounts of money. No issue there whatsoever.

But.. am I legally required to answer? That is what he was asking. And that is what they refused to answer for him.

For instance... if you were pulled over and the policeman asked you if he could search your vehicle.

He certainly, without question, can ask you that question. He certainly has that right.

You have the right to agree to the search even without a warrant. But you also have the right to question whether you are legally required to allow him to perform that search.

Don’t be surprised or alarmed if the next time you go through the security checkpoint at the airport you find TSA staff handing out smiles and warm greetings instead of barked orders, mean looks and stern commands. There may even be some TSA-approved hugging and high-fiving going on back there behind the X-ray machines.

It sounds farfetched, I know. Especially if you’re one of the many travelers who regularly ends up feeling demeaned and harassed at airport checkpoints and believes that the TSA only hires sticky-fingered miscreants who are missing the genes for courtesy and respect.

Wonder if this has anything to do with a pattern of threats and crudeness?
Thanks MSNBC

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29142020/