No Pre-existing Son... Before Christ's Birth? - Page 13

Falla39 · #**121** 04-08-2009, 10:02 AM

I John 3:1:Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

There is more to being a father than just begetting children. He provides for what he has begot, he "trains up" those children in the way they SHOULD to go. He is considerate of the mother. He loves and cherishes. He cares and is considerate of her needs. IF he truly loves his wife and children, that is!

God told Adam his part and He told what Eve's part of the curse for disobedience was.

If wives who have gone through the pain, labor and giving birth to the children, maybe
she would not mind it so much IF she saw more sweat on husbands face. Working by
the sweat of his brow. She surely sweats in labor birthing those babies.

If she then has to leave her babies and go into the workforce and help do
his part, she probably won't really desire to bare any/or many babies. If it
becomes more than she can bear, whether it be a mother in the home or
a minister's wife, she may not care if more babies or more converts (babes
in the church) come along or not. Things that are overloaded becomes
more of a burden than a blessing. That old rooster in the barnyard just goes
around, among the chicks, thrusting out his chest, crowing, like he's done
some big thing. and he WAS a contributor. The eggs can be laid without
him, but to make more babies/converts, he must deposit his contribution.
The burden can get awfully heavy when one of the team players is not
carrying their share of the responsibility.

A lot of things are out of order, according to God's Plan. Things out of
order, do not work properly. Plumbing out of order, will eventually back up
on you, After awhile it begins to smell and only gets worse if not corrected.

Just some thoughts.

Falla39

Falla39 · #**122** 04-08-2009, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falla39

GOD did in and through the body of the Son that He could not do as The Spirit
(Power) alone.

Electricity, unharnessed, without a channel or means to flow through, out to
the various places to serve, is very dangerous and is not useful. It needs a
channel (means) in which to flow out.

No wonder those Israelites were scared nearly to death with the Spirit/God
sending thunderings, lightenings, wind, etc. up on that mountain. No wonder
Moses, who understood the Power of God, told them to not come past the
boundary of the mountain.

When God was channeled in and through the body of The Son, a body pre-
pared for the purpose to come and identify with mankind, and to die as a
sinless Lamb, things changed. The Spirit and the Body compliment each
other as one is of no benefit without the other.The Spirit cannot work
effectively alone. and a body without the Spirit is DEAD! The Spirit and
the Body share in the GLORY of GOD! Christ in you,the HOPE of glory!
Each realizes one cannot be of benefit, without the other. They give
glory to each other. The Father glorified the Son and the Son gave all
glory to the Father.

Can you see Christ comparing the church as a husband and wife! They
compliment each other, or should! IF Christ IS IN HIS BODY, the CHURCH,
sons and daughters SHOULD be being born. IF NOT, there is not the FLOW
there should be. Has the "POWER" line been severed!
The LOVE OF THE FATHER who SO LOVED the world that HE GAVE HIS SON
to save the world IN AND THROUGH the HIS WIFE, the Church. LACK of LOVE
for the FATHER (Husband) makes barren wives or churches. If the LOVE of
the FATHER (GOD) is not in both husbands and wives,the Love of the Father
is not in that union, whether it be the HOME or the CHURCH. SERIOUS busi-
ness!

The Son told His disciples that He did only the things the Father told him to
DO and SAY. Totally Spirit-led. If a man/woman thinks they can do with-
out the Spirit,they are just doing their OWN thing. But if man/woman sub-
mits and allows the Spirit to do the leading, they become the Lord Almighty's
sons and daughters.

Jesus performed miracles, that those among whom He walked, might believe
He was who He was. The Jews were critical of Him because they said that,
He,being a man, made Himself God. They did not understand He was God who
came as a man.

I can understand by seeing how valuable electricity (POWER) is, but it MUST
be channeled/contained in a means which can carry it to individual places for
various purposes. Look around you and see what you would have to do with-
out if you didn't have the POWER of electricity. Now just think what blessings
you would be without if you didn't have the POWER OF GOD in your life. If you
didn't have the POWER OF THE HOLY GHOST (SPIRIT) available.IT is my MOST
VALUABLE POSSESSION! THANK YOU, FATHER!

We are the channels or temple of the Holy Ghost that carries the POWER OF
GOD (SPIRIT) to benefit or serve others. Just as the power of electricity is
carried from a source (Power plant), so must the POWER of GOD come from
the SOURCE (God/Deity/Spirit/Father) to the bodies/temples of the LIVING
GOD!

Falla39

Bump!!

Falla39 · #**123** 04-09-2009, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falla39

GOD did in and through the body of the Son that He could not do as The Spirit
(Power) alone.

Electricity, unharnessed, without a channel or means to flow through, out to
the various places to serve, is very dangerous and is not useful. It needs a
channel (means) in which to flow out.

No wonder those Israelites were scared nearly to death with the Spirit/God
sending thunderings, lightenings, wind, etc. up on that mountain. No wonder
Moses, who understood the Power of God, told them to not come past the
boundary of the mountain.

When God was channeled in and through the body of The Son, a body pre-
pared for the purpose to come and identify with mankind, and to die as a
sinless Lamb, things changed. The Spirit and the Body compliment each
other as one is of no benefit without the other.The Spirit cannot work
effectively alone. and a body without the Spirit is DEAD! The Spirit and
the Body share in the GLORY of GOD! Christ in you,the HOPE of glory!
Each realizes one cannot be of benefit, without the other. They give
glory to each other. The Father glorified the Son and the Son gave all
glory to the Father.

Can you see Christ comparing the church as a husband and wife! They
compliment each other, or should! IF Christ IS IN HIS BODY, the CHURCH,
sons and daughters SHOULD be being born. IF NOT, there is not the FLOW
there should be. Has the "POWER" line been severed!
The LOVE OF THE FATHER who SO LOVED the world that HE GAVE HIS SON
to save the world IN AND THROUGH the HIS WIFE, the Church. LACK of LOVE
for the FATHER (Husband) makes barren wives or churches. If the LOVE of
the FATHER (GOD) is not in both husbands and wives,the Love of the Father
is not in that union, whether it be the HOME or the CHURCH. SERIOUS busi-
ness!

The Son told His disciples that He did only the things the Father told him to
DO and SAY. Totally Spirit-led. If a man/woman thinks they can do with-
out the Spirit,they are just doing their OWN thing. But if man/woman sub-
mits and allows the Spirit to do the leading, they become the Lord Almighty's
sons and daughters.

Jesus performed miracles, that those among whom He walked, might believe
He was who He was. The Jews were critical of Him because they said that,
He,being a man, made Himself God. They did not understand He was God who
came as a man.

I can understand by seeing how valuable electricity (POWER) is, but it MUST
be channeled/contained in a means which can carry it to individual places for
various purposes. Look around you and see what you would have to do with-
out if you didn't have the POWER of electricity. Now just think what blessings
you would be without if you didn't have the POWER OF GOD in your life. If you
didn't have the POWER OF THE HOLY GHOST (SPIRIT) available.IT is my MOST
VALUABLE POSSESSION! THANK YOU, FATHER!

We are the channels or temple of the Holy Ghost that carries the POWER OF
GOD (SPIRIT) to benefit or serve others. Just as the power of electricity is
carried from a source (Power plant), so must the POWER of GOD come from
the SOURCE (God/Deity/Spirit/Father) to the bodies/temples of the LIVING
GOD!

Falla39

BUMP!!!

LUKE2447 · #**124** 04-09-2009, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

LOL!

While I do not affirm multiple beings in the Godhead, it is of great interest that it can be said, the Father (being God), and the Son (also being God), communicated one to the other.
Has all the communication ceased, now that Jesus is glorified? Does the Son of God even now know the hour of His return?

God had a Son! He is the very expression of the divine made flesh. This man was a actual man who worships, feels, thinks and prays yet his very being and existance is tied to the Almighty in which he has relationship. Does that make two Gods? No as anything that is divine is not his but given him by the Father. Is Jesus God? Yes by his very nature of existance. Is he man. Yes, by his very nature of his experience and existance as well... God manifested in flesh! He is the perfection of man and God coexisting perfectly in that which we call the Messiah.

helen_febus · #**125** 04-09-2009, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falla39

I John 3:1:Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

There is more to being a father than just begetting children. He provides for what he has begot, he "trains up" those children in the way they SHOULD to go. He is considerate of the mother. He loves and cherishes. He cares and is considerate of her needs. IF he truly loves his wife and children, that is!

God told Adam his part and He told what Eve's part of the curse for disobedience was.

If wives who have gone through the pain, labor and giving birth to the children, maybe
she would not mind it so much IF she saw more sweat on husbands face. Working by
the sweat of his brow. She surely sweats in labor birthing those babies.

If she then has to leave her babies and go into the workforce and help do
his part, she probably won't really desire to bare any/or many babies. If it
becomes more than she can bear, whether it be a mother in the home or
a minister's wife, she may not care if more babies or more converts (babes
in the church) come along or not. Things that are overloaded becomes
more of a burden than a blessing. That old rooster in the barnyard just goes
around, among the chicks, thrusting out his chest, crowing, like he's done
some big thing. and he WAS a contributor. The eggs can be laid without
him, but to make more babies/converts, he must deposit his contribution.
The burden can get awfully heavy when one of the team players is not
carrying their share of the responsibility.

A lot of things are out of order, according to God's Plan. Things out of
order, do not work properly. Plumbing out of order, will eventually back up
on you, After awhile it begins to smell and only gets worse if not corrected.

Just some thoughts.

Falla39

WOW, a little off subject; but some very powerful and True words.

My dear sister, this could preach.

Love you in Jesus,

Sister Helen Febus

Falla39 · #**126** 04-09-2009, 09:04 AM

Thank you, Sis. Febus,
These were the words given me to say!

Hugs,

Falla39

Hoovie · #**127** 04-09-2009, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

God had a Son! He is the very expression of the divine made flesh. This man was a actual man who worships, feels, thinks and prays yet his very being and existance is tied to the Almighty in which he has relationship. Does that make two Gods? No as anything that is divine is not his but given him by the Father. Is Jesus God? Yes by his very nature of existance. Is he man. Yes, by his very nature of his experience and existance as well... God manifested in flesh! He is the perfection of man and God coexisting perfectly in that which we call the Messiah.

Amen.

When I say I find it of "interest that it can be said, the Father (being God), and the Son (also being God), communicated one to the other", I understand this as more than humanity speaking to divinity.

It really is a mystery even from a Oneness perspective. We have Jesus, who in is God almighty - born as man, communicating with the Father who is God almighty, not born as a man.

Falla39 · #**128** 04-09-2009, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

God had a Son! He is the very expression of the divine made flesh. This man was a actual man who worships, feels, thinks and prays yet his very being and existance is tied to the Almighty in which he has relationship. Does that make two Gods? No as anything that is divine is not his but given him by the Father. Is Jesus God? Yes by his very nature of existance. Is he man. Yes, by his very nature of his experience and existance as well... God manifested in flesh! He is the perfection of man and God coexisting perfectly in that which we call the Messiah.

Very good, Bro. LUKE2447!

Lord we lift your name on high

Lord we love to sing your praises

I'm so glad you're in my life

I'm so glad you came to save us.

You came from heaven to earth

to show the way

From the earth to the cross

our debt to pay.

From the cross to the grave

From the grave to the sky

Lord, we lift your name on high.

It seems God drew a road map for us, then took the time to
travel it so there woud be no doubt how to get to where He was!
Wanted to make sure we didn't get lost along the Way. People get
lost when they stray from the straight and narrow path HE trod. He
passed the "instuctions" on to chosen men He trusted to pass on
the road-map. The Apostles.

Not everyone will follow instructions or look at a "map". They feel
they know the way by themselves. Sometimes they have to get to
the "middle of no-where" before they are willing to acknowledge they
are LOST. Pride will keep some from asking for directions or instruct-
ions. Can't admit they are lost or on the wrong road. After all, they
don't need any help. Sometimes little immature children will "stray"
off a little distance from their mother and when they don't see her,
panic starts in and they will start screaming, "Momma".

We need to all "Humble ourselves under the Mighty Hand of God!

No offence to anyone, just my thoughts.

Falla39

helen_febus · #**129** 04-09-2009, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falla39

GOD did in and through the body of the Son that He could not do as The Spirit
(Power) alone.

Electricity, unharnessed, without a channel or means to flow through, out to
the various places to serve, is very dangerous and is not useful. It needs a
channel (means) in which to flow out.

No wonder those Israelites were scared nearly to death with the Spirit/God
sending thunderings, lightenings, wind, etc. up on that mountain. No wonder
Moses, who understood the Power of God, told them to not come past the
boundary of the mountain.

When God was channeled in and through the body of The Son, a body pre-
pared for the purpose to come and identify with mankind, and to die as a
sinless Lamb, things changed. The Spirit and the Body compliment each
other as one is of no benefit without the other.The Spirit cannot work
effectively alone. and a body without the Spirit is DEAD! The Spirit and
the Body share in the GLORY of GOD! Christ in you,the HOPE of glory!
Each realizes one cannot be of benefit, without the other. They give
glory to each other. The Father glorified the Son and the Son gave all
glory to the Father.

Can you see Christ comparing the church as a husband and wife! They
compliment each other, or should! IF Christ IS IN HIS BODY, the CHURCH,
sons and daughters SHOULD be being born. IF NOT, there is not the FLOW
there should be. Has the "POWER" line been severed!
The LOVE OF THE FATHER who SO LOVED the world that HE GAVE HIS SON
to save the world IN AND THROUGH the HIS WIFE, the Church. LACK of LOVE
for the FATHER (Husband) makes barren wives or churches. If the LOVE of
the FATHER (GOD) is not in both husbands and wives,the Love of the Father
is not in that union, whether it be the HOME or the CHURCH. SERIOUS busi-
ness!

The Son told His disciples that He did only the things the Father told him to
DO and SAY. Totally Spirit-led. If a man/woman thinks they can do with-
out the Spirit,they are just doing their OWN thing. But if man/woman sub-
mits and allows the Spirit to do the leading, they become the Lord Almighty's
sons and daughters.

Jesus performed miracles, that those among whom He walked, might believe
He was who He was. The Jews were critical of Him because they said that,
He,being a man, made Himself God. They did not understand He was God who
came as a man.

I can understand by seeing how valuable electricity (POWER) is, but it MUST
be channeled/contained in a means which can carry it to individual places for
various purposes. Look around you and see what you would have to do with-
out if you didn't have the POWER of electricity. Now just think what blessings
you would be without if you didn't have the POWER OF GOD in your life. If you
didn't have the POWER OF THE HOLY GHOST (SPIRIT) available.IT is my MOST
VALUABLE POSSESSION! THANK YOU, FATHER!

We are the channels or temple of the Holy Ghost that carries the POWER OF
GOD (SPIRIT) to benefit or serve others. Just as the power of electricity is
carried from a source (Power plant), so must the POWER of GOD come from
the SOURCE (God/Deity/Spirit/Father) to the bodies/temples of the LIVING
GOD!

Falla39

Well Sis. You are on a roll, this is meat and I enjoyed every bite of it.

I e-mailed this post to my husband; he is in the study writing his book and I am in the living room with my laptop. e-mail is the best way to show him something when he is writing as he does check his e-mail every now and then. One of his books will be published by the end of this month.

God Bless You Sister,

Sister Helen Febus

Falla39 · #**130** 04-09-2009, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by helen_febus

Well Sis. You are on a roll, this is meat and I enjoyed every bite of it.

I e-mailed this post to my husband; he is in the study writing his book and I am in the living room with my laptop. e-mail is the best way to show him something when he is writing as he does check his e-mail every now and then. One of his books will be published by the end of this month.

God Bless You Sister,

Sister Helen Febus

Thanks, Sis. Febus

Let me know about your husband's book. What is it about?