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04-13-2009, 01:12 PM
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Re: Homestead Heritage in waco tx
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Now just watch.... A Homestead Heritage leader will start a thread about members who are difficult to get "lined up".
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LOL!!! I don't think they have a problem getting people to line up. The peer pressure is immense and if you don't you are booted out, ostracized, on your way to hell, don't pass go, don't collect $200!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry!!!!!
I purposefully had not gotten into detail about the darker part of their practices but I am glad someone on this thread did get into it a little with their practices regarding excommunication, shunning, etc.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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04-13-2009, 02:17 PM
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Re: Homestead Heritage in waco tx
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It is more than going country. That i can live with myself.
When you say core doctrines, what are you meaning? I have looked at their site since I saw this thread and they don't have anything there in writing. According to some articles on the web that is SOP for them.
I am disturbed because there are already people leaving his church over this decision to go this direction. I don't think he even knows about HH as he does not do internet and lives up in the northern US. It is just kinda like seeing symptoms at HH that I have been observing now for some months in this other situation. Very, very distubing.
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When they "leave" - where are they going? Are they forming some other group? What are they leaving to go and join?
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04-13-2009, 02:51 PM
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Re: Homestead Heritage in waco tx
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Read the thread TJJJ!!!!!
It is not that many pages and it dicusses that these guys came ouf of Kenneth Phillips church way back in the 1970's. I believe they got saved in the big hippie revival his church had in Austin in the early to mid 70's.
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Whoa CC!!!! Get off your horse for a minute! I don't even know Kenneth Phillips! Who is he? That doesn't tell me a thing! Is he trinitarian, charismatic, new age, vision forum,... your talking to someone who his name means nothing! That is what I am trying to find out for!
I have googled HH and got some pretty pictures of a grist mill! Nothing about doctrines or anything. I looked at some articles and got two different pictures. One bad and one good! Still doesn't mean much. I am trying to pm some and have got a few responses but I'm still digging.
You guys are throwing names out there that mean nothing to me at this time. Forgive my ignorance but it is the truth!
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04-13-2009, 02:53 PM
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Re: Homestead Heritage in waco tx
I don't know but just the name Waco, Tx scares me..LOL
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04-13-2009, 02:57 PM
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Re: Homestead Heritage in waco tx
Google Homestead Heritage abuse. It brings up some interesting stuff.
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04-13-2009, 02:59 PM
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Re: Homestead Heritage in waco tx
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When they "leave" - where are they going? Are they forming some other group? What are they leaving to go and join?
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I have a pastor friend who, for some time, has been contemplating, studying, investigating, something similar to what is going on there at HH. He now has started making some moves in the direction of buying land for this very thing, ie a community for believers to be fairly self sufficient, along the lines of HH.
I have resisted the direction he is going but we have remained friends. Well, just last night I saw this thread and began to get interested in the discussion as it related to this man's direction. He does not even know of HH but what he is planning closely resembles what I am seeing go on there at HH.
As far as people leaving this pastor's church, it has already began. Just last week a family left him over this very thing of this community thing. Now there are alarm bells going off in my brain because I feel like I am seeing, possibly, the same deception going on there as in HH. I am very interested to see more of the core concepts of HH to see the parallels.
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04-13-2009, 03:01 PM
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Re: Homestead Heritage in waco tx
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Google Homestead Heritage abuse. It brings up some interesting stuff.
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I agree that it does, as I just did that and read the articles. That is why I am so interested at this time. My concern is possibly turning my friend away from that sort of thing if it is truly damaging.
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04-13-2009, 03:03 PM
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04-13-2009, 03:07 PM
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Re: Homestead Heritage in waco tx
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Pel
I have a pastor friend who, for some time, has been contemplating, studying, investigating, something similar to what is going on there at HH. He now has started making some moves in the direction of buying land for this very thing, ie a community for believers to be fairly self sufficient, along the lines of HH.
I have resisted the direction he is going but we have remained friends. Well, just last night I saw this thread and began to get interested in the discussion as it related to this man's direction. He does not even know of HH but what he is planning closely resembles what I am seeing go on there at HH.
As far as people leaving this pastor's church, it has already began. Just last week a family left him over this very thing of this community thing. Now there are alarm bells going off in my brain because I feel like I am seeing, possibly, the same deception going on there as in HH. I am very interested to see more of the core concepts of HH to see the parallels.
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That can be disturbing. I was just asking because you didn't really tie it into HH or say it was something else in that first post.
The people leaving is a reason to sit up and take notice. His "community" plans are curious. Is he communicating with some specific group or organizer?
There were at least two groups like this around here many years ago. One moved on and became HH. The other is still around and is just kind of "weird."
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04-13-2009, 03:56 PM
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Re: Homestead Heritage in waco tx
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Whoa CC!!!! Get off your horse for a minute! I don't even know Kenneth Phillips! Who is he? That doesn't tell me a thing! Is he trinitarian, charismatic, new age, vision forum,... your talking to someone who his name means nothing! That is what I am trying to find out for!
I have googled HH and got some pretty pictures of a grist mill! Nothing about doctrines or anything. I looked at some articles and got two different pictures. One bad and one good! Still doesn't mean much. I am trying to pm some and have got a few responses but I'm still digging.
You guys are throwing names out there that mean nothing to me at this time. Forgive my ignorance but it is the truth!
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TJJJJJJJJ,,
Sorry about that. Us old timers think everybody is as old as dirt also and knows all of these names that were once famous in the UPC. Kenneth Phillips was a top UPC evangelist / pastor in the 60's and 70's who left the UPC in 1978 after they banned ministering on TV because he felt led to evangelize through television.
At the time, 1978, he had one of the largest churches in the UPC. He ran about 1500 people and had experienced a tremendous revival in Austin since he had begun pastoring there around 1966 or 1968. In the early to mid 70'sthey had a big hippie revival and many hippies came to the Lord. There are a lot of UPC, not UPC and other pastors who came out of that revival.
You would be amazed at the number of UPC preachers and saints who are around 45-60 years old who got baptized or received the Holy Ghost baptism under a Kenneth Phillips sermon at a Campmeeting or Conference of some kind in the 1970's.
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Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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