You Be The Judge: Anderson Vs Burk

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I confess I did NOT read your study why don't you give us the condensed version?

Eld. Epley, you are a preacher. You should have no problems reading a study about the Bible. And since you are a preacher, for honesty’s sake, shouldn’t you at least read what we believe BEFORE commenting for or against us?

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I am a cessationist as Paul was he taught tongues WOULD CEASE! And the duration of the gifts were until the coming of the Lord. 1Cor. 1:8

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Paul taught against another gospel!! You teach there will be another gospel. Therefore, you MUST BE misinterpreting Paul.

[TK Burk]

BUMP for Eld. Epley

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Eld. Epley, please explain the purpose of the Lord instituting His Supper (communion).


So then, according to YOUR beliefs; after Jesus "comes again" and the Church is taken in the “pre-trib rapture,” the Holy Ghost and tongues would cease. So you are in fact a cessationalist. AFPs are not because we believe the Holy Ghost and tongues will forever be available.

Since you teach that the Holy Ghost will someday be unavailable, your position also requires an different way for those “left behind” to receive salvation. This means you are in fact teaching there will be another gospel. Eld. Epley, don’t you know what the Apostle Paul said about those who teach “another gospel”??? (see Gal 1:6-7) And yet, here you are, proposing exactly that. And you claim AFP is dangerous and is heresy??


Eld. Epley, you err not knowing the scriptures. Here is what that verse actually says: “Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching” (Heb 10:25). It does not say it would cease, but that they were to assemble even more as it drew near. If you would study the scriptures in your Bible instead of reading your Scofield Study Bible’s sidenotes, you could have seen this.


Again, you studynotes are blinding you. The word "UNTIL" is not even found one time in the entirety of 1 Thessalonians epistle. So please, Eld. Epley, give the verse(s) where YOU have found what you claim here.


Eld. Epley, where did you derive this fictitious claim? Did you find it in your Bible? Did you hear or read an AFP say it? Eld. Epley, are you purposely trying to malign us, or are you really this confused?


Dear reader, I told you Eld. Epley would change the subject and go into misrepresentations. After all these years, this is what I have ALWAYS seen him do. As a matter of fact, I can post all kinds of examples where he has done similar things in all the forums where we have talked over the years. One thing for sure about Eld. Epley, he is consistent….

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

BUMP for Eld. Epley

I answered you.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Paul makes all of these clear:
The Lord's supper is to show forth his death TIL HE COMES. 1Cor. 11:26
The Church is come behind in no gift WAITING FOR THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. 1Cor. 1:8
Yes the gifts that which is done in part shall be done away with WHEN THAT WHICH IS PERFECT IS COME. 1Cor. 13:10
THose edicts found in 1Thess. 5 are predicated on verse 23 UNTO THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.
Teh assembling of ourselves together is predicated on AS YE SEE THE DAY APPROACHING. HEB. 1O:25
Again the early church was commanded judge nothing before the time, UNTIL THE LORD COMES. 1Cor.4:5
It is not my fault your heresy places your in such an untenable position. You guys have to come up with new revelations and symbols and 14 allegories to explain the clear teaching about the return of the Lord.
If the Lord came in
70AD all these edicts are no longer in the church.

Again for Elder Burk. Sincehe missed it.

[Hesetmefree238]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Paul makes all of these clear:
The Lord's supper is to show forth his death TIL HE COMES. 1Cor. 11:26
The Church is come behind in no gift WAITING FOR THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. 1Cor. 1:8
Yes the gifts that which is done in part shall be done away with WHEN THAT WHICH IS PERFECT IS COME. 1Cor. 13:10
THose edicts found in 1Thess. 5 are predicated on verse 23 UNTO THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.
Teh assembling of ourselves together is predicated on AS YE SEE THE DAY APPROACHING. HEB. 1O:25
Again the early church was commanded judge nothing before the time, UNTIL THE LORD COMES. 1Cor.4:5
It is not my fault your heresy places your in such an untenable position. You guys have to come up with new revelations and symbols and 14 allegories to explain the clear teaching about the return of the Lord.
If the Lord came in 70AD all these edicts are no longer in the church.

Good post.

[Hesetmefree238]

Originally Posted by Esther

Could you do the same please?

I am going to try and find time to study this thread out. I can not imagine anyone believing that the rapture has already happened.

Some certainly believe it, but don't waste your time trying study it out.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Paul makes all of these clear:
The Lord's supper is to show forth his death TIL HE COMES. 1Cor. 11:26
The Church is come behind in no gift WAITING FOR THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. 1Cor. 1:8
Yes the gifts that which is done in part shall be done away with WHEN THAT WHICH IS PERFECT IS COME. 1Cor. 13:10
THose edicts found in 1Thess. 5 are predicated on verse 23 UNTO THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.
Teh assembling of ourselves together is predicated on AS YE SEE THE DAY APPROACHING. HEB. 1O:25
Again the early church was commanded judge nothing before the time, UNTIL THE LORD COMES. 1Cor.4:5
It is not my fault your heresy places your in such an untenable position. You guys have to come up with new revelations and symbols and 14 allegories to explain the clear teaching about the return of the Lord.
If the Lord came in 70AD all these edicts are no longer in the church.

I left out an important event
The resurrection AT HIS COMING. 1Cor. 15:23!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hesetmefree238]

Question for the AFP's. Do you believe that the world will ever come to an end or do you
believe that the world will continue indefinetely?
Also, do you believe in the eventual complete overthrow and banishment of the powers
of evil?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Hesetmefree238

Question for the AFP's. Do you believe that the world will ever come to an end or do you
believe that the world will continue indefinetely?
Also, do you believe in the eventual complete overthrow and banishment of the powers
of evil?

The Devil is already bound.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Jason, would you please explain the purpose of the Holy Ghost?

The purpose of the Holy Ghost given to believers is to help us live an overcoming life, and guide us throughout life. However, what I was taking issue to was using tongues (how often someone speaks in tongues) as a measurement of spiritual maturity. I think fruit bears much more weight in that discusssion than the frequency of tongues.

I would also add, my posistion does affirm that tongues do not cease UNTIL the return of Jesus Christ. Much as there were no tongues during his earthly ministry, so shall there be no need for tongues when He is (visibly/phsically) present, in the millenium. I think it is a very valid point that if FP is taken to its logical conclusion, that cessastionism is a must, see Church of Christ doctrine.