Brutish Pastors Scatter Sheep - Page 5

Digging4Truth · #41 05-06-2009, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

I see both sides.

Before I was a pastor, I assisted, and I could tell you some horror stories.

But honestly, if you've never pastored, you can't even imagine the pressure. And I don't say that to puff us pastors up. I promise you it's not something I treasure.

The financial pressure alone is killer.

I think that what you say about the pressure is most assuredly true.

But I think that a lot of the pressure comes from the fact that the model in use today puts the bulk of ministry in the church on one calling (that of the pastor.) and not only does on calling bear the load but this is generally limited to one particular person of that calling.

I don't feel that the model being practiced today is in keeping with the original plan or execution that the apostles went forward with and therein lies the bulk of the problem.

edjen01 · #42 05-06-2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

Jeremiah: preacher-basher!

most prophets were....and are.

edjen01 · #43 05-06-2009, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

I see both sides.

Before I was a pastor, I assisted, and I could tell you some horror stories.

But honestly, if you've never pastored, you can't even imagine the pressure. And I don't say that to puff us pastors up. I promise you it's not something I treasure.

The financial pressure alone is killer.

a very real pressure.

I also believe most pastors have the pressure and frustration of working primarily with volunteers. most CEO's...store managers...healthcare workers...other positions of managment...deal with pressure and frustration concerning employees and upper-management....not volunteers who also happen to be the ones who pay thier salary....its not the same.

*AQuietPlace* · #44 05-06-2009, 01:45 PM

I don't think that God intended for one man to carry most of the burden of leading a church. I think most pastors have a heavier load than necessary.

Digging4Truth · #45 05-06-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I don't think that God intended for one man to carry most of the burden of leading a church. I think most pastors have a heavier load than necessary.

Yep...

Nina · #46 05-06-2009, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by gloryseeker

I wonder why there is never a thread about the sheep that scatter the Pastors? The statistics are amazing of the number of Pastors that give up because they have no support, no one who will work toward the vision, people bickering over where the piano sits, or some other carnal aspect of the carnal Christians life?

Glory Seeker,

Where in the Bible do You read about sheep scattering Pastors?

Maybe that's why there is never a thread about it.

Just a thought,
Nina

gloryseeker · #47 05-06-2009, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Nina

Glory Seeker,

Where in the Bible do You read about sheep scattering Pastors?

Maybe that's why there is never a thread about it.

Just a thought,
Nina

My comment wasn't based on scripture, but on reality. Most of the threads/opinions on this forum are not biblically based.

Falla39 · #48 05-06-2009, 10:19 PM

Jeremiah 23 (King James Version)

1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.

2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.

3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.

4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.

jaxfam6 · #49 05-06-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gloryseeker

I wonder why there is never a thread about the sheep that scatter the Pastors? The statistics are amazing of the number of Pastors that give up because they have no support, no one who will work toward the vision, people bickering over where the piano sits, or some other carnal aspect of the carnal Christians life?

I have somewhat to say to that. A mature adult Christian can only come about by some mature adult teaching. I know there are some that will never mature, just like in the natural, but most general a child grows up to be exactly what the parent teaches it to become. If the pastor wants mature 'saints' that will support and and work toward the vision the pastor needs to train them that way. If he is carnal and bickers about everything that is exactly what they will do. There is an old saying about monkey see monkey do. I have seen many churches where what you are talking about takes place but when you watch the pastor you can usually find the reason.
I know it is not the case in all instances but for the most part.

jaxfam6 · #50 05-06-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

I see both sides.

Before I was a pastor, I assisted, and I could tell you some horror stories.

But honestly, if you've never pastored, you can't even imagine the pressure. And I don't say that to puff us pastors up. I promise you it's not something I treasure.

The financial pressure alone is killer.

I would say that a pastor's family knows the issues and pressures just as much as the pastor does.