Boy will be suspended if he goes to prom.

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Who's standards?

A very simple question..........

you know by now that you are entering a circular argument here. This is just one of those things that keeps going round and round. Either they see it or they don't.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

you know by now that you are entering a circular argument here. This is just one of those things that keeps going round and round. Either they see it or they don't.

Oh I know. <sigh>

And it usually also comes to someone making the "wouldn't you want to do too much then too little?" type argument as well.

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Oh I know. <sigh>

And it usually also comes to someone making the "wouldn't you want to do too much then too little?" type argument as well.

exactly

which then brings us back to our works saving us rather than Him saving us.

[acjcpastor]

Okay, the Christian school can publish and enforce whatever code of conduct they want. That is their prerogative and unless this is a special case of the school indiscriminately enforcing rules to punish a victim at whim and will, the parents would be fools to fight the schools decision.

Now I was raised in holiness and I didn’t go to dances when I was in High School. However, I did take my girlfriend to her prom. We went and enjoyed a “formal” evening, including a fine dinner with her classmates. But when the music and dancing start we excused ourselves and left. We didn’t need a school rule to direct our behavior in or out of the school environment. We had our own convictions and I can also say I was blessed to have a pastor who trusted me with my convictions. I think that is something that is missing in this equation. Even now as an adult in the business world, I have to travel around the country. Many times, I’ve had to meet co-workers or clients in a hotel and several will choose to meet in the lounge. I don’t give them a snobby “Oh I can’t go in there.” Moreover, I don’t have to compromise my convictions. It’s just a meeting place and we don’t stay there to drink like a fish. I rub shoulders with sinners everyday but that doesn’t mean I have to let sin rub off on me. IMHO, this kid could go to the prom, not dance, not enjoy the “rock” music, and not be suspended. It could even be God’s will that he go there to share the gospel with someone who may not otherwise make it to the morning after the prom.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by acjcpastor

Okay, the Christian school can publish and enforce whatever code of conduct they want. That is their prerogative and unless this is a special case of the school indiscriminately enforcing rules to punish a victim at whim and will, the parents would be fools to fight the schools decision.

Now I was raised in holiness and I didn’t go to dances when I was in High School. However, I did take my girlfriend to her prom. We went and enjoyed a “formal” evening, including a fine dinner with her classmates. But when the music and dancing start we excused ourselves and left. We didn’t need a school rule to direct our behavior in or out of the school environment. We had our own convictions and I can also say I was blessed to have a pastor who trusted me with my convictions. I think that is something that is missing in this equation. Even now as an adult in the business world, I have to travel around the country. Many times, I’ve had to meet co-workers or clients in a hotel and several will choose to meet in the lounge. I don’t give them a snobby “Oh I can’t go in there.” Moreover, I don’t have to compromise my convictions. It’s just a meeting place and we don’t stay there to drink like a fish. I rub shoulders with sinners everyday but that doesn’t mean I have to let sin rub off on me. IMHO, this kid could go to the prom, not dance, not enjoy the “rock” music, and not be suspended. It could even be God’s will that he go there to share the gospel with someone who may not otherwise make it to the morning after the prom.

I'm not opposed to rules, and from what I've read so far, most people think abiding by the rules is the right thing to do. (In regard to the school in question.)

However, did you read the part about the principal giving the student a signed permission slip to attend the prom?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by acjcpastor

Okay, the Christian school can publish and enforce whatever code of conduct they want. That is their prerogative and unless this is a special case of the school indiscriminately enforcing rules to punish a victim at whim and will, the parents would be fools to fight the schools decision.

Now I was raised in holiness and I didn’t go to dances when I was in High School. However, I did take my girlfriend to her prom. We went and enjoyed a “formal” evening, including a fine dinner with her classmates. But when the music and dancing start we excused ourselves and left. We didn’t need a school rule to direct our behavior in or out of the school environment. We had our own convictions and I can also say I was blessed to have a pastor who trusted me with my convictions. I think that is something that is missing in this equation. Even now as an adult in the business world, I have to travel around the country. Many times, I’ve had to meet co-workers or clients in a hotel and several will choose to meet in the lounge. I don’t give them a snobby “Oh I can’t go in there.” Moreover, I don’t have to compromise my convictions. It’s just a meeting place and we don’t stay there to drink like a fish. I rub shoulders with sinners everyday but that doesn’t mean I have to let sin rub off on me. IMHO, this kid could go to the prom, not dance, not enjoy the “rock” music, and not be suspended. It could even be God’s will that he go there to share the gospel with someone who may not otherwise make it to the morning after the prom.

This has been my experience as well. Many would disagree - and say entering a lounge or bar is sinful.

Perhaps you could start a new thread to discuss this.

[Baron1710]

My children attend a private school and I have seen them attempt to control the activities of students outside of school on several occasions, with or without the school code of conduct. Including tying to determine who they should and shouldn't date. I wrote a letter to the administration at one point explaining to them I send my kids to a private school because I believe I know what is best for them and didn't need the usurping my roll as a parent when my kids where not under their supervision.

I also experienced similar attitudes when I attended a Mennonite school and the principle tried to tell me who I couldn't date.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

My children attend a private school and I have seen them attempt to control the activities of students outside of school on several occasions, with or without the school code of conduct. Including tying to determine who they should and shouldn't date. I wrote a letter to the administration at one point explaining to them I send my kids to a private school because I believe I know what is best for them and didn't need the usurping my roll as a parent when my kids where not under their supervision.

I also experienced similar attitudes when I attended a Mennonite school and the principle tried to tell me who I couldn't date.

I have actually seen (heard of) far FAR more strict conditions involving Christian colleges (apostolic and otherwise) then I have ever seen (or heard of) with K-12 ones. What makes this seem worse is that we're dealing with adults when talking about college, not kids still living with their parents.

Then again, no Christian college can probably hold a candle to West Point academy when it comes to rules.......

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I have actually seen (heard of) far FAR more strict conditions involving Christian colleges (apostolic and otherwise) then I have ever seen (or heard of) with K-12 ones. What makes this seem worse is that we're dealing with adults when talking about college, not kids still living with their parents.

Then again, no Christian college can probably hold a candle to West Point academy when it comes to rules.......

Which is why we laugh and toss the mailings from Pensacola Christian College in the trash. My son said, "NO WAY" to the kind of control that school has. He is looking at Liberty University.

I am not a fan of never letting kids grow up, for them to grow up they have to make choices and take responsibility for those choices. The problem is we have people on one side who want to remove the tree from the garden, and those on the other side that want to let them stay after eating from the tree.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I'm not opposed to rules, and from what I've read so far, most people think abiding by the rules is the right thing to do. (In regard to the school in question.)

However, did you read the part about the principal giving the student a signed permission slip to attend the prom?

From the first link:

England acknowledged signing the form but warned Frost there would be consequences if he attended the dance. England then took the issue to a school committee made up of church members, who decided to threaten Frost with suspension.

He was not giving him express approval. That brings a new light to this story for me. The principle could have been difficult and not signed it, thereby ensuring the young man would not go to prom. However, by signing it, it seems he gave the young man a choice. Nice restraint on the principle's part, seems like he did think this through.

On the other hand, what if the student did not dance or pay attention to the rock music (I know, he probably would)? He would not be partaking in it then. Seems like a slippery slope when you start enforcing rules based on what could happen or what people could do.