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Old 05-13-2009, 05:03 AM
afp1996 afp1996 is offline
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Re: The Second Coming of Christ

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(this question is posed with the assumption that both sides believe that the rapture (aka ressurrection)happens at the same time as the second coming.)

Brother, how does FP get around the fact that a rapture of both the LIVING and dead saints is plainly and specifically taught by scripture to occour at the time of the second coming of Jesus Christ, where living people are changed from mortals to immortals without ever experiencing death (similar to Enoch and Elijah)?
1Thessalonians 4:13-17 (esp. verse 17)
1Corinthians 15:12-27,50-53 (esp. verses 50-54)


I disagree that the rapture and the resurrection happened at the same time and both happen at the second coming of Christ. At least in the way you believe it.

1Thessalonians 4:13-17

Verses 13-16 speak of the dead and their resurrection. Verse 17 shows that those that were not dead at the time of the resurrection, who were alive past the resurrection would not be subject to the grave as their dead counterparts were but would be caught up to meet the Lord. When? 2Cor 5 says it will be realized when we put off this earthy house.

1Corinthians 15:27-50

Lays out that Jesus is the first fruits. Therefore the only visible proof of the resurrection needed.

1Corinthians 15:50-53

1)Says the physical body cannot inherit the Kingdom.
2)Those after the resurrection would not go to the grave. The prison for bodiless souls.
3)This would happen at the last trump.

1Corinthians 15:54-57

Clearly shows this would happen at the removal of the law system. AD 70 Coming and Judgment did just that with the Temple removed. This happened in Matt 24, which is a direct link to Daniel 12. Matt 24 has no gap in it's completion as you have failed to show one, and this all would happen within one generation. Jesus' generation per his own words. From the resurrection onward, with hell or the grave emptied, no one would go there again. For the Saved, the grave has no victory, and death has no sting.

Dan 12:2
(2) And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

The change is being caught up so that we do not see the grave. The last trump sealed our future in eternity.

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