Head Coverings

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

BLB relies on Strongs....Strongs is a weak tool for bible language studies.

It's meaning is "to let the hair grow" and the reason the greek scholar I quoted said what he did is obvious to me...how can you let the hair grow long if you are cutting it?

However that does not in my opinion turn into an absolute nor negate cosmetic trimming. The point seems to me is that she is to allow her hair to grow out pretty much as long as she can get it...allow it to grow to full length. I don't believe that is an absolute command though where heaven and hell hinge on. This is about headship and distinction in the sexes. Not about having power or about salvation.


But that is what the word means "to let the hair grow"

So how long is "long"? "to let the hair grow"

Wish people would understand that more. I gotta Strongs now I am a Greek scholar yes sireee!

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

BLB relies on Strongs....Strongs is a weak tool for bible language studies.

It's meaning is "to let the hair grow" and the reason the greek scholar I quoted said what he did is obvious to me...how can you let the hair grow long if you are cutting it?

However that does not in my opinion turn into an absolute nor negate cosmetic trimming. The point seems to me is that she is to allow her hair to grow out pretty much as long as she can get it...allow it to grow to full length. I don't believe that is an absolute command though where heaven and hell hinge on. This is about headship and distinction in the sexes. Not about having power or about salvation.


But that is what the word means "to let the hair grow"

So how long is "long"? "to let the hair grow"

The Bible is not specific on what length it needs to be at. It simply states that there does need to be a difference in male and female's hair length. Until there is a specific rule of length found in the Bible, it would seem to be up to personal convictions.

1 Cor 11.15. In a number of languages it may be necessary to translate κομάω as ‘to let one’s hair grow long’ or ‘not to cut one’s hair.’
Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996, c1989). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament : Based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition.) (1:526). New York: United Bible societies.

Does it say what language it needs to be translated as uncut in? If the Greek used in the NT has a separate word for uncut, then the uncut issue is a moot point.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Twisp

The Bible is not specific on what length it needs to be at. It simply states that there does need to be a difference in male and female's hair length. Until there is a specific rule of length found in the Bible, it would seem to be up to personal convictions.

1 Cor 11.15. In a number of languages it may be necessary to translate κομάω as ‘to let one’s hair grow long’ or ‘not to cut one’s hair.’
Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996, c1989). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament : Based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition.) (1:526). New York: United Bible societies.

Does it say what language it needs to be translated as uncut in? If the Greek used in the NT has a separate word for uncut, then the uncut issue is a moot point.

The WORD means "to let the hair grow", which in some languages is best translated as "uncut hair" or "don't cut your hair"...why? Because in cutting your hair you are not "letting the hair grow"...you are restricting it's growth.

The reason he says in some languages is because clearly in some languages, especially ours, many of us would not other wise understand what this means.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The WORD means "to let the hair grow", which in some languages is best translated as "uncut hair" or "don't cut your hair"...why? Because in cutting your hair you are not "letting the hair grow"...you are restricting it's growth.

The reason he says in some languages is because clearly in some languages, especially ours, many of us would not other wise understand what this means.

Considering the hair grows from the follicle, and the shaft is made up of dead cells, cutting the shaft at any point past the follicle would not be restricting growth. It would be restricting length, but not growth itself.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Considering the hair grows from the follicle, and the shaft is made up of dead cells, cutting the shaft at any point past the follicle would not be restricting growth. It would be restricting length, but not growth itself.

That is about as asinine an answer that I have seen yet. Sorry but as much as I don't agree with UCs on standards I also disagree with these kinds of attempts at finding a loophole.

The subject is hair, long hair. How do you get it LONG? By letting it grow out. That is rather intuitive and should not need an explanation

[edjen01]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That is about as asinine an answer that I have seen yet. Sorry but as much as I don't agree with UCs on standards I also disagree with these kinds of attempts at finding a loophole.

The subject is hair, long hair. How do you get it LONG? By letting it grow out. That is rather intuitive and should not need an explanation

Mr. Praxeas....not to split hairs...bad joke. But many professionals say that hair actually can grow longer and more health...if split-ends and other things are cut off and that cutting the ends promotes healthy hair. And that leaving the hair in an "uncut" state could cause it to break-off and become shorter.

so which is worst...not cutting the hair and having it break-off and get shorter and unhealth....or cutting the hair in such a way to maintain health and promote growth?

I am not saying that this is an exact science....but as a man....i must take the advice/input of those who study and know this field.

[*AQuietPlace*]

I find it interesting that there doesn't seem to be a history of Jewish women not cutting their hair. Headcovering, yes. But most Jewish women cut their hair.

I guess because there's not a single solitary thing in the OT that prohibits it.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I find it interesting that there doesn't seem to be a history of Jewish women not cutting their hair. Headcovering, yes. But most Jewish women cut their hair.

I guess because there's not a single solitary thing in the OT that prohibits it.

explain and expound on this in the OT please.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

explain and expound on this in the OT please.

I didn't mean OT Jewish women. I meant more current times.

There's really not much to comment on about women's hair in the OT, because it's rarely mentioned. Style isn't mentioned at all that I could find. Solomon said his bride's was like a flock of goat's leaping.

There are a few directives about men's hair, but none about women's, other than the Nazarite vow.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*;749704[B

]I find it interesting that there doesn't seem to be a history of Jewish women not cutting their hair.[/B] Headcovering, yes. But most Jewish women cut their hair.

I guess because there's not a single solitary thing in the OT that prohibits it.

Maybe it has to do with having no such customs of cutting their hair!!
Neither the churches of God.
I can remember my paternal great grandmother. She was not a
Pentecostal nor apostolic, yet I never knew of her ever cutting her hair.

I visited an elderly Church of Christ couple in our city. He was a long-
time elder in the local C of Christ. They had a picture of two ladies that
I assumed was perhaps their mothers or grandmothers. You would have
thought they were old-time Pentecostals.

Our local Assemblies of God for many years, the ladies wore long hair and
did not wear makeup or pants.
My best friend from 6th grade to 12th, went to that church and never
wore pants, makeup but did wear her hair shoulder length. Her mother
wore long hair and looked like apostolic Pentecostal. I know others who
had the same lifestyle. I also remember when the pastor's wife got her
long hair cut and started going to the beauty show and started keeping
it short and permed. In my 69 yrs, I have seen many changes. My best
friend married the A of God pastor's only son. They are now members of
the large 140 yr. old Baptist church in our city. She wears heavy makeup,
pants most of the time, and keeps her hair short and permed and black.
She also wears lots of heavy jewelry.

This friend is the one who told me many years ago that they are saved
at repentance. But they go ahead and are baptized in the name of the
Father, Son and Holy Ghost. And that they seek to receive the Spirit,
if they want the Power.
But only repentance is necessary to be saved. Sounds like one of the two
groups that merged together in 1945. These locally here though call them-
selves Assemblies of God. They are hard against Oneness, Baptism in Jesus
Name. It is dangerous to resist TRUTH!

Wouldn't intentionally offend anyone but from what I have observed in
these many years of my life, it seems to me, many are being cheated out
of the most wonderful experience this side of heaven. If we don't receive
all that God meant for us to have, we are lacking! Our children and grand-
children will be lacking. I want mine to have the best God has for them,
and myself too.

Blessings,

Falla39