Has a minister ever hurt you?

[BHILL]

[QUOTE=Mr. Steinway;749711]Your case sounds to me that your pastor just was trying to be playful. I would bet that he never really realized your physical pain or embarrassment.[/QUOTE

I posted this TIC,I've inflicted as much physical pain on him as he has on me,except in raquetball.We've been best friends forever.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by BHILL

My Pastor has hurt me lots of times.One time he hit me for some reason-can't remember why.I've also been working before and he hit me with a snowball-now that hurt!He also once found an unopened can of beer,shook it up and sprayed it all over me(had a hard time explaining that to my mom & dad).He also happened to be my best friend while growing up and is still my best friend.No I've never been emotionally hurt by my Pastor but he has inflicted some physical pain on me & I've never done anything to him that I can remember.

[Sister Alvear]

that is so sweet.

[MissBrattified]

BHILL, didn't the two of you put frogs in the mailbox one time? Or was that one of your boys?

[SOUNWORTHY]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

How did you get over it? Do you still hurt...are there scars...did it bring about anything good?


Just thought we might help each other....please do not bash those that hurt you but tell us what helped you overcome.

No one was hurt more than Jesus. To be like him we can expect some hurts, but it won't kill us as it did Him, and yes I've been hurt but survived and learned from it and I have probably hurt others so turn about is fair play or so I've been told.

[MissBrattified]

I'd say I was hurt once, but I'm over it. It did take me awhile, but my *moment* was when I was finally able to pray for them--and actually mean it. It was very cathartic, and I finally felt that it was all in His hands.

I'm still aware that it happened, (I didn't forget) but I hope by now I've put it into perspective.

[BHILL]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

BHILL, didn't the two of you put frogs in the mailbox one time? Or was that one of your boys?

He told me to put a frog in the neighbors mailbox so I did it and it jumped out her,she went to Bonnie and Keith got all the blame as I recall.We told my boys this story,so of course,they put a frog in our mailbox and it jumped out on Denise.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Christopher Hitchens has a little comment that he makes in his debates when he is debating Christians. He says, "Christians, see how much they love one another." Now, I understand where he is coming from, because religions kill their wounded. Now, I said religions because hurt and offence is not an exclusive thing which Apostolic Pentecostal Christianity corners the market on.

Every religion, and group that has people involved in it has its share of hurt feelings. Listen Sister, try joining a motorcycle club, if you're a prospect they put you through all kinds of tribulation before you get a patch. Yet, there are people who are wanting to join a motorcycle club. Why? because that is what they are into. Now with religion, people are still joining the Watchtower, the LDS, Unification Church, House of Yahweh, Roman Catholicism, and some Christians still convert to Orthodox Judaism. We may sit back and scratch our heads, but the people who go off and get involved in cults, and strange religions do it because they have found something in that particular religion that meets with their approval. They will go through all kinds of hardship and pain and suffering to stay in these groups. They will separate from family members for these groups. Give up spouses and children for these groups.
We on the outside looking in think, "how in the world do they put up with that?" They do. Now, I said all that to say this, how can we be in a religion all this time and all of a sudden wake up one morning with an offence?

This doesn't come out of the clear blue, and bam, I was hurt by the preacher. First, where are we at when we are having these offences happen? Where are we spiritually? I teach that we have to get over these things. I mean if you are still talking about a situation when a preacher preached from the pulpit and peeled your scalp back, and you felt like you were going to crawl in a hole and die, and you still feel upset about that, then something has gone very wrong. That wrong no longer has anything to do with the preacher. It has all to do with us. You have no control over anyone, of what they say, of what they do, or how they behave. You only have control over you. If we get hurt, we need to first look inward to find out why are we feeling this way. Is it warranted? Should I be upset, and hurt? Or did the other individual drill a nerve? Hey, a stepped on toe hurts.

People endure all kinds of lunacy because they like the religion or group.
People tolerate obnoxious relatives because they are family. You dread them coming over but because its MeMaw, you suck it in and allow her to make you feel like jumping out a window. Yet, what is happening when we are in a religion and now the guru is not so enlightened? Or the priest is really not so nice anymore. Oh, and the Pastor's wife is really a broom flying hag. Come to think about it, I'm offended at the Pastor, and his elitist children with their self-entitlement attitudes.

You know Sister, I think this never happens over night. It's like the people next door, we have barbecues, are children play together and sleep over, we even go on vacations together. Yet, it just takes a series of slights. Little by little the offences happen. Now Dick and Jane aren't so cool anymore, and you know, little Bobby is really a nasty little selfish child after all.

Just like that we are hurt, upset, bitter, we build a fence, and we don't talk anymore. If we want something, we will put up with the most difficult people.
If we no longer feel it's worth our time, we start to cool on the relationship.
Relationships take work, even in a religion. We need to look at what is going on when we get hurt. First and foremost we need to look at ourselves before we start to think the people we once loved are now so hurtful. It maybe that they were always a devil with clothes on, or maybe the problem was always with us?

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

This may not be your intention at all, Bro. B., but when I read this, a little voice in the back of my head hears a preacher saying these words to the wounded, the preacher having been the one who did the wounding and saying "It's all the wounded's fault", thereby letting himself off the hook. It seems completely self-serving. So, I have seen way too many times that the preacher says to the wounded "Get over it. It's no big deal". Of course, if the wounded let's it go even if no healing takes place, the accuser is off the hook to mend the breach. Pretty good deal for the preacher. He thinks the problem is fixed and instead there is a lot of walking wounded pretending they are fixed. Then, one day, the wounded gets fixed and healed at the hand of Jesus and the preacher is still wounding.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by BHILL

My Pastor has hurt me lots of times.One time he hit me for some reason-can't remember why.I've also been working before and he hit me with a snowball-now that hurt!He also once found an unopened can of beer,shook it up and sprayed it all over me(had a hard time explaining that to my mom & dad).He also happened to be my best friend while growing up and is still my best friend.No I've never been emotionally hurt by my Pastor but he has inflicted some physical pain on me & I've never done anything to him that I can remember.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by ILG

This may not be your intention at all, Bro. B., but when I read this, a little voice in the back of my head hears a preacher saying these words to the wounded, the preacher having been the one who did the wounding and saying "It's all the wounded's fault", thereby letting himself off the hook. It seems completely self-serving. So, I have seen way too many times that the preacher says to the wounded "Get over it. It's no big deal". Of course, if the wounded let's it go even if no healing takes place, the accuser is off the hook to mend the breach. Pretty good deal for the preacher. He thinks the problem is fixed and instead there is a lot of walking wounded pretending they are fixed. Then, one day, the wounded gets fixed and healed at the hand of Jesus and the preacher is still wounding.

Sister, I can get pretty wordy and philosophical at times with run on sentences. Maybe that is what happened here. Sister, I have been hurt, wounded, battered, and filet opened. Had a preacher start a negative P.R. campaign against my wife and myself, saying all kinds of wicked flipped out information about us. Please keep in mind that I appear FIRST on the Brother Gary Reckart’s hall of shame, and Brother Reckart was the first of my friends to hold my daughter Anastasia a week after her birth.

Hurts are part of life, and the nuts and bolts of being in any religion, sect, or ideology. People are going to disappoint you, and lie about you. With preachers, they usually go after your wife and children first. That is hard, but you have to be able to keep going forward. Endure hardness as a good solider? Did I write those words? Endure hardness, endure until the end? through much tribulation you will enter into the Kingdom of God? I didn’t write any of those words, they appear in your Bible.

Sister people in religions, sects, and ideologies can be the nicest people in the world, and the nastiest, when you fall out of step from the tribe. Leaders can become self serving, yet we need to pick up and brush it off, and go forward. If I hurt someone I try to get it right by first getting looking at myself, what did I do wrong. The Apostle Paul said that we were to first consider ourselves, I have to look at me first, because I'm the only one who is going to be able to change me. I can't change you, or anyone else.

I just think, the emphasis here is way too much on placing the minister as some bad guy, who we need to mount on our chest, and use for an eternal excuse why we can't move forward.

It gets old hearing about the ghoulish Pentecostal Apostolic Preacher who beat the snot out of his congregation, and drank blood out of their skulls.

How the United Pentecostal Church International has piled up bodies in heaps because of their hardness, and enforcing of unyielding standards.

There are ministers who give up everything and kill themselves (and their families suffer) while they try to help people out. A man sucking on his wallet while he tries to pay his bills (his house and the church) as he dodges bullets from the pew, and the fellowship. Sister, sometimes someone gets hurt, and we as a group and a movement need to encourage people to get up and go forward. Not asking them NOT to mend, but not to get angry, bitter, and sick to their stomach over a situation and loose out, with everything including Jesus Christ.

I hope I cleared up all misunderstandings

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com